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To think Eammon Holmes needs to go now

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Hugolugo · 12/08/2021 20:14

He's always been a chubby misogynist with questionable.comments to make about his wife but now he has compared a woman's afro hair to the fur on an alpaca. Has the world gone completely bloody mad? How come he still has that job? And, no, the 'I have old fashioned northern Irish charm' act doesn't make up for it. I for one am certainly not feeling charmed! I have no idea how Ruth puts up with him tbh.

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Roussette · 13/08/2021 10:02

They are friends, aren't they? She wouldn't be friends with him if he found him so offensive?

Friends or work colleagues? There's a big difference.

Christinayangtwistedsister · 13/08/2021 10:09

I wonder if she considers them to be friends

ElevenSmiles · 13/08/2021 10:11

She hasn't made a complaint has she ?

Sparklingbrook · 13/08/2021 10:13

@ElevenSmiles

She hasn't made a complaint has she ?
Not publicly, but it only happened yesterday.
MrsSkylerWhite · 13/08/2021 10:16

Don’t watch the rubbish.

Sounds akin to Danny Baker and the photograph. He was sacked immediately.

GalaxyGirl24 · 13/08/2021 10:20

Too many offensive comments now so surely he should be on his way out...

Also, to those who say 'uppity' is just a word and isn't racist, you need to understand it's context. Uppity may be 'just a word' in the sense that used solely it is, but when used against a person of colour it indicates a person who thinks they are far above their station and dates back to times of slavery.

It's just a word, in the sense that calling an elderly person 'doddery' is just a word, or a wife asking her husband to do something is 'shrill' ...words take on meanings depending on who you use them against, and often have long histories. It's ignorant to pretend otherwise.

Whatnext2018 · 13/08/2021 10:21

I doubt very much she’d make a complaint, they’re friends and she knows his humour surely.
They look sad today, I feel sorry for them

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Hugolugo · 13/08/2021 10:28

Whatnext2018

Yes I'm sure they do. Sad because he's been caught out and hasn't modified his behaviour because he thinks its okay to say whatever he likes.

I'm sad that he's been given a job on primetime tv and the itv bosses aren't bright enough to realise he's offensive and it's not okay.

Come on now. How many more times will this be acceptable?

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Hugolugo · 13/08/2021 10:29

He's had a lot of chances already!!

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Sparklingbrook · 13/08/2021 10:34

They look sad today, I feel sorry for them

They look the same as they always do to me. Confused He appears slightly bored as usual.

Christinayangtwistedsister · 13/08/2021 10:38

@Whatnext2018

I doubt very much she’d make a complaint, they’re friends and she knows his humour surely. They look sad today, I feel sorry for them
No sympathy for the person who was compared to animal on national tv thought, I wonder why?
Roussette · 13/08/2021 10:44

They don't look the slightest bit sad to me!
Just as normal

Roussette · 13/08/2021 10:46

I agree with a PP. This Morning needs a shake up, and I think Eamonn and Ruth have had their day. It's like Richard & Judy, they stayed too long.
It's not like they need the money, Ruth is on QVC selling her fashion line a lot.

EnidSpyton · 13/08/2021 10:51

@GalaxyGirl24

Too many offensive comments now so surely he should be on his way out...

Also, to those who say 'uppity' is just a word and isn't racist, you need to understand it's context. Uppity may be 'just a word' in the sense that used solely it is, but when used against a person of colour it indicates a person who thinks they are far above their station and dates back to times of slavery.

It's just a word, in the sense that calling an elderly person 'doddery' is just a word, or a wife asking her husband to do something is 'shrill' ...words take on meanings depending on who you use them against, and often have long histories. It's ignorant to pretend otherwise.

But to many people in Britain, uppity genuinely IS just a word. To say that is not ignorance or pretence. It's just a fact.

As I have said many times, the racist connotations of the word uppity come from a specifically American experience that British people do not share.

British English has many words that carry negative connotations that would be entirely alien to an American English speaker, and vice versa. Please stop conflating American English and British English. Language meaning changes over time to absorb the cultural environment within which it is used. Just because we both speak English, it doesn't mean that the English we use is identical. It is ignorant to assume so, and unreasonable to expect British people to be automatically aware of American contextual connotations.

I would suggest the real ignorance shown here is in assuming that American culture and history when it comes to race subsumes all other experience. I actually find it offensive to constantly see people conflating Blackness with slavery. In the US, this is understandable given the historical context, but it is completely inaccurate to do so in a UK context. The vast majority of Black people in the UK are either people who came over in the Windrush to work here or are descended from people who came over in the Windrush. Slavery will not have been a part of their history at all. Suggesting that the experience of being Black is all about slavery reinforces narratives of Blackness as being synonymous with victimhood. This is also a form of racism, I might add, as is the colossal ignorance and prejudice shown in the assumption that Black people the world over are a homogenous mass who share the exact same historical trauma of slavery, when this couldn't be further from the truth.

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Hugolugo · 13/08/2021 10:52

I agree. Their old fashioned views have had their day.

Also holly seems okay, a bit dull ime I would never watch her but phil, like eamonn, is also quite unpleasant to watch and arrogant. They need some new blood to take over the main presenting roles.

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Hugolugo · 13/08/2021 10:54

Project Save This Morning From Extinction and Wheel In Some New Presenters!! Pronto!

We really do deserve better.

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LizzieW1969 · 13/08/2021 10:55

I agree with PPs that he should go. That comment about his colleague Dr Zoe’s afro hair being like that of an alpaca surely can’t be seen as anything but racist. Hmm

Roussette · 13/08/2021 11:05

But to many people in Britain, uppity genuinely IS just a word. To say that is not ignorance or pretence. It's just a fact

But you know now, so will you be different to a PP and not use it now you know?

In the US, this is understandable given the historical context, but it is completely inaccurate to do so in a UK context

Ummm... we had a huge role to play in the slave trade.

Sparklingbrook · 13/08/2021 11:06

Neither PS, HW, EH or RL pass my 'do you think you'd like to go for a drink in the pub with them' celebrity test.
I wouldn't like to cross any of them TBH.

I actually did like Dermott and Alison although I might be in the minority there.

This Morning is a bit of a joke of a programme now though.

MintyGreenDream · 13/08/2021 11:13

Can't stand him and I don't like them as a presenting duo.Shes simpering and faux nice imo.

Chocolatier9 · 13/08/2021 11:15

To those who point out that he’s described her as his friend and note that she hasn’t complained - genuine questions:

  • have you ever maintained a friendly relationship with someone at work while secretly thinking them a prize twit?
  • have you ever not complained about something because it’s just easier and no good will come of it?

I ask because I’ve always assumed that this is a universal experience for women and now I’m wondering if I’m just wet.

(Not that I’m discounting the possibility that she genuinely feels warmly towards him. Modern sensibilities aren’t everything. Some of my best friends have been ahem - old-fashioned. Grin.)

NotDavidTennant · 13/08/2021 11:24

The vast majority of Black people in the UK are either people who came over in the Windrush to work here or are descended from people who came over in the Windrush. Slavery will not have been a part of their history at all.

Erm, the Windrush came from Jamaica. How do you think black people got to Jamaica in the first place? (Clue: they were taken there by the British as slaves.)

EnidSpyton · 13/08/2021 11:27

No @Roussette, I will not stop using the word uppity altogether. I will still use the word uppity within its dictionary defined meaning, as its dictionary defined meaning has nothing to do with race. A word's meaning and its connotation are entirely different things. I would now make sure I never use the word to describe a person of colour's behaviour, as I know now that it has racist connotations in that specific context and I would never wish to offend anyone. However I am not going to stop using the word outside of that context as its meaning is not intrinsically racist in the same way other words, such as the n word, are. I don't see a problem with taking that position. Anyone who does have a problem with taking that position doesn't understand the difference between meaning and connotation.

And yes, of course I am aware that Britain had a huge role to play in the slave trade. But the state of slavery was not permitted on British soil. The moment slaves arrived on British soil, their state of slavery was considered null and void and they were free. Within a historical context of lived experience, this is significant, because it means that the history of Black lived experience in the UK is very different from that of Black lived experience in the US, where the state of slavery obviously was permitted, widespread, and is the historic legacy of most Black Americans. That is simply not the case for Black British people, who, as I have said above, mostly are/are descended from people who came over voluntarily in the Windrush. Suggesting that Black British people have experienced the same legacy of slavery as Black Americans is completely inaccurate, not to mention rather offensive for all concerned.

bunhead34 · 13/08/2021 11:31

My sure if it's been mentioned but he also said he wanted to touch her hair.
Dr Zoe said 'don't touch my hair!' Before
She was cut off.

Time for Eamon and Ruth to go, they are just as bad as each other

emuloc · 13/08/2021 11:32

@NotDavidTennant

The vast majority of Black people in the UK are either people who came over in the Windrush to work here or are descended from people who came over in the Windrush. Slavery will not have been a part of their history at all.

Erm, the Windrush came from Jamaica. How do you think black people got to Jamaica in the first place? (Clue: they were taken there by the British as slaves.)

This. The same for the majority of the island's in the Caribbean. I could not believe what I was reading in that post.
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