AIBU to think Biden is wrong to pull out of Afghanistan

[bluewanda]

Biden says he doesn't regret the decision to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan. Really?!!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9883367/Taliban-going-door-door-forcibly-marrying-girls-young-TWELVE.html

I know the Americans can't be expected to sort out every problem on the world stage, but how can we just turn our backs and leave those poor girls in the hands of these monsters There isn't any alternative IMO but to keep the troops there.

YABU
The US military is not a world police force. They’re under severe economic pressure to cut their defence spending. Similar to how U.K. cut their foreign aid. White knights aren’t wanted by the people of Afghanistan anyway.

Afghanistan needs to sort itself out, US and UK have done enough.

I feel scared for the Afghan population. But it’s not the USA’s problem to solve.

Bit of a tough one, it obviously would have been better if they hadn't gone in, in the first place.

So we just leave those poor girls to a lifetime of rape and abuse? Wow, some really cold responses on this thread.

British failed
Russia failed
USA failed

Let Afghanistan sort themselves out.
3 world superpowers couldnt

It’s a difficult one.
We didn’t finish what we started over there which means all the military (and civilian) casualties were for nothing.

But on the other side, it’s a deep rooted, government issue that soldiers alone can’t fix.

I just can't bear to think what those poor children will go through, the terror and pain and fear they will experience on a daily basis. It's horrific.

I hate the world

YANBU. This is basically yet another chapter in Joe Biden's War On Women.

How long can other countries police them. Lots have tried to fix the issues and failed at one point you’ve just got to let them work it out for themselves.

We can take in refugees to help protect some but sadly we just can’t protect everyone all of the time. If we could it would be amazing but thats not realistic.

Every country that’s been in there has failed. It’s not the responsibility of any country but Afghanistan to sort the issues out, harsh as that may seem

We didn’t get involved when all those girls where kidnapped in Africa, we don’t get involved with issues on what’s happening to women worldwide why should we, or any other country here? We tried, we failed, time for them to sort

They need to be left to get on with it.

Not everything is fixable.

I feel desperately sad for the people of Afghanistan.

Does anyone recall how many voices were demanding some kind of intervention in Afghanistan back in the late 90s, due to oppression against women, rising child mortality, blowing up world heritage items, etc.?

Then we had 20 years of intervention by superpowers. Things are better but... is that sustainable forever. USA did things like occupy Japan or Germany but then fully left. it's not working out as well in Afghanistan.

I think the basis of your upset is that the US troops were helping the situation/ where they actually? I think if they were making any significant progress they would have stayed.

@bluewanda

So we just leave those poor girls to a lifetime of rape and abuse? Wow, some really cold responses on this thread.

Diplomacy and UN pressure can help that. Don’t forget too that child marriage goes on in the US as well so they don’t see it as being as big an issue as we do.

May I also point out that Afghanistan is fucked up BECAUSE for 300 years the British, Americans and the Russians have used it for their political purposes with little thought for the Afghan people?
We haven’t already forgotten who armed Bin Laden in the first place, have we?
I don’t have a political solution but let’s not pretend these countries were in Afghanistan ‘for the women.’

We expect the US to step up and sort out world problems but at the same time we happily criticise them. It needs to be the UN that gets involved but even then it's the same countries that supply the resources. For example out of 29 NATO ( not responsible for Afghanistan) countries, only 10 are paying their full share. Wealthy countries like Germany, Canada, Norway, Holland, Denmark don't pay their full share. And the wealthiest country in the EU, Luxembourg only pays a quarter of what's expected. Unless all countries across the world step up in resourcing impartially run peace organisations, there will never be the means to help sort out global problems.

@ChaBishkoot exactly we gave money for a fundamentalist Jihad against the Russians - ignoring the problems this would & did cause the non Muslim & the Moderate Muslims
This is going to make the surrounding area even more tense & spread to neighbouring countries - the extremists have finance & support from overseas so the Moderate Muslims in the country don't have a chance & boys & young men will suffer too, not just the girls & women
This area will become more unstable & I can see Western Countries
being forced to return when things go really bad in the region

@ChaBishkoot

May I also point out that Afghanistan is fucked up BECAUSE for 300 years the British, Americans and the Russians have used it for their political purposes with little thought for the Afghan people? We haven’t already forgotten who armed Bin Laden in the first place, have we? I don’t have a political solution but let’s not pretend these countries were in Afghanistan ‘for the women.’

In a nutshell.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. The state of Afghanistan is partly, if not mainly, the fault of western superpowers like the USA and UK. They don’t give a shit about the women.

I’ve heard so many first-hand stories about the western soldiers in Afghanistan who rape women quite freely, they don’t have a good rep among the local people at all and nobody looks at them as saviours.

I think the feeling among Americans is that the US has done everything reasonably possible to equip and train the Afghan security forces to stand on their own. If they can't or won't do so, staying in for another decade or two won't change that.

A lot of American blood and treasure has already been spent. The Afghans need to sort it themselves.

The US did not "fail." Millions of girls went to school as a result of the US staying in. And it is girls going to school that will eventually modernize Afghanistan.

May I also point out that Afghanistan is fucked up BECAUSE for 300 years the British, Americans and the Russians have used it for their political purposes with little thought for the Afghan people?

Bollocks. Of course they used the country for their own purposes, but Afghanistan has been a violent backward country for a really, really long time---long before outsiders decided to start interfering. I'm always amused at people who seem desperate to believe that the only reason a country can be dysfunctional is become of "wicked Westerners doing terrible things to it."

@bluewanda

So we just leave those poor girls to a lifetime of rape and abuse? Wow, some really cold responses on this thread.

I fought there. Total waster of time. If you want to go, crack on.

Being there has hardly helped. I don't blame Biden for not wanting any more U.S. soldiers to die for no obvious gain.

Sorry that sounded rude but I get pretty fed up of people who whinge about this type of thing with zero experience