AIBU to think Biden is wrong to pull out of Afghanistan

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Biden says he doesn't regret the decision to withdraw US troops from Afghanistan. Really?!!

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9883367/Taliban-going-door-door-forcibly-marrying-girls-young-TWELVE.html

I know the Americans can't be expected to sort out every problem on the world stage, but how can we just turn our backs and leave those poor girls in the hands of these monsters There isn't any alternative IMO but to keep the troops there.

There is really no point in continuing fighting in a war that cannot be won. The American people are fed up with it, it can be no joke losing sons and husbands. They already went through all that in Vietnam.

If you look at Afghanistan's history, they have had loads of invasions and fighting. The USA presence will not stop that.

Don’t forget too that child marriage goes on in the US as well so they don’t see it as being as big an issue as we do.

I promise you that 99.999% of Americans see child marriage as a big issue. A teenager or pre-teen forced into marriage? Of course that's not deemed acceptable in the US!

Not a fan of Biden, but really, nothing the Americans can do will fix this problem. The fix has to come from within Afghanistan and its own people. Are the Americans (or any other nation, at that) meant to stay there forever? That comes with its own set of problems.

I'm reading one of Osama Bin Laden's biographies at the moment. According to the author, there is no evidence that either he or Al Qaeda were funded by the CIA - it's just a myth.

YANBU - I just feel they shouldn't have pulled out yet. It certainly seemed to take their allies by surprise. It is a really difficult problem because the Taliban are harboured by Pakistan and even if they get pushed back to the border, they will always return to Afghanistan. However, when I first heard Biden was pulling US troops out, I immediately wondered how long before women were raped, forced into marriage, stopped working and schools and hospitals closed to females (also both men and women being severely treated for playing music, not behaving "appropriately", etc). I see that some of this is already happening and I am just waiting for reports of mass executions in football grounds shortly. It seems terrible that no-one can stop this happening again.

There are other countries USA-UK-Russia have interfered heavily in in last 200 years that are not basketcase like Afghanistan is.

eg: Poland, Germany.

Not simple cause & effect how things turn out afterwards.

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It seems to be their culture.

Would you be prepared to sacrifice your own kids in unwanted wars or occupations because you find their practices distasteful?

Let the Chinese have a go. Militarism seems to be on the increase there.

And why the expectation that western nations continue to force their own style of democracies and social and religious structures on nations that historically have rejected such?

Yes, many of these nations are a complete mess by western standards, but they have been so for a long time. Far longer than the western enlightenments.

As atrocious as many of these nations are socially, religiously, governmentally, militaristically, it is not the wests right to reshape them in our image, and impose our will upon them, no matter how right, or how much better the wests way would be for the people in those countries.

As devastating as it is for the people of Afghanistan, I'm not sure there is much Western governments can do in terms of troops on the ground. Any non-Muslim incursion simply brings forth jihadists from across the region and can be used as a tool to radicalise and subsequently threaten the safety of populations here.

How is it girls going to school?
Because they will raise the boys?

How much difference will this make when they are beaten and used as chattels and spoils of war..

I don't think any more than American blood should be spilt there.
I'd like too see other countries helping out or and the un

I really don't want think the world stage can ignore this though.

Think about it; Afganistan is well and truly fucked up, no one is going to disagree on that. But you really think Americans troops are in there to protect the inccoent civilians? If that was the case, don’t you think Trump would’ve pulled them out during his presidency?

Glob... The fact is ordinary civilians were protected and now they are not.

The only reason the Americans and the British were in Afghanistan was because of Bush and Blair, nothing at all to do with the plight of the Afghanistan women. Countless civilian and military deaths are on their hands. Bush because of revenge for 9/11 and Blair because he wanted to be a world player. Both should have been tried and committed for war crimes. The plight of Afgani women didn't even register on their radar.

What we are now witnessing is a humanatrian atrocity
And I don't believe the world should stand by and watch those women, girls taken and enslaved and raped, men killed etc.

@Frodogo so you know 99.999% of Americans population, do you?
That’s a very false fact you made!

So is this another case of western self soothing and lets celebrate multi-culturalism and diversity...so long as it doesn't differ tooo much from our own, and if it does, then we have to throw our militaries around to get them back in line?

Like I said, if America were there to “protect” then Trump would’ve pulled them out as one of his first acts of president.

Samy

What do you suggest right now to stop another single girl taken right now from her family and passed to a fighter like a chattel?

No. I think it is the right decision as there is no ideal solution. There never will be no matter how long the US and maybe the UK remain there.

They would just be sacrificing the lives of their own servicemen and women with no realistic hope of gaining anything useful.

Acknowledging this does not mean that we do not care about the women and children involved, or that the US doesn't. Sadly though, we simply can't sort out all of the world's problems.

I think that the US has done all that it realistically can. There is no longer any point in staying there.

@Panickingpavlova all those things you stated, happen by the hands of the American army also!

@Globaluser

Think about it; Afganistan is well and truly fucked up, no one is going to disagree on that. But you really think Americans troops are in there to protect the inccoent civilians? If that was the case, don’t you think Trump would’ve pulled them out during his presidency?

To be fair, the Americans carried out all kinds of engineering and infrastructure projects to help improve lives. And whilst they were there, women could work and girls could get education. They helped facilitate medical services to be carried out across the country. But if a country cannot keep that going on its own, how long can you expect other countries to keep asking soldiers to risk their lives?

Why are you involving Trump in any of this? He didn't invade Afghanistan; he didn't keep troops in Aghanistan; he withdrew some troops as did Obama; he didn't withdraw all troops. Not everything in the world has to be a stick to beat Donald Trump with.

YANBU to think he's wrong, but this is what the Americans always do. I think I'm coming at it from a different perspective from you, as my attitude and experience from growing up (and also, my mother is from Latin America) is that loads of countries hate them, because they go around sticking their nose in and interfering in other countries' business and then they leave when they feel like it! Whether or not the problem has been solved, or made worse by their interference. There's certainly no gratitude from me for them going around acting like the policeman of the world, whereas you seem to have that.

Poor Afghanistan, ravaged by century upon century of war. It’s not named ‘The Graveyard of Empires’ for nothing.

The plight of the women and girls is heartbreaking.

No denying the taliban are truly disgusting vultures. They live in a land that believes what they’re doing is right. It’s despicable!
But how can any educated man or woman of any western army turn into people sadist rapists and killers,who don’t value the life of inccoent civilians?
So shouldn’t really be rooting their horn, should you?

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