AIBU to be asked to reframe my trauma by the trans CEO of Scottish Rape Crisis?

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The CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis has said "Sexual violence happens to bigoted people too. But if you bring beliefs that are discriminatory, expect to be challenged on your prejudice. Reframe your trauma"

Apparently, survivors are to be "educated" in this service.

forwomen.scot/10/08/2021/the-real-crisis-at-rape-crisis-scotland/

Tonight is a really tough one. Women who have been raped or sexually assaulted need females to listen to them. Rape Crisis was that service and used to offer trauma based therapy.

I don't need educating - I know that detailing my experience to a man, or a transwomen is NEVER something I will do.

This is too much.

Wellbehaved 👏👏👏💐💐💐 agree with PP that your post will help people

@wellbehavedwomen
Bravo. Really, bravo - I will save your eloquent, resonant words and links so that I can pass them onto the vast majority of my friend and family who just DO NOT GET this topic, or it's importance at all.
Thank you.

@happydays2345 @suspiria777 you're absolutely right that you need decent people in this situation. what do you make of this answer to a similar point to yours?
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4319777-to-be-asked-to-reframe-my-trauma-by-the-trans-ceo-of-scottish-rape-crisis?pg=9&msgid=109845196

@ wellbehavedwomen
What a brilliant eloquent post .

In Dundee , former MSP Jenny Marra is leading a campaign highlighting that Dundee Women’s Aid “does not offer its services on a female only basis “

I'd rather have spoken to someone compassionate and caring, whatever their gender identity.

Then by all accounts, you wouldn't want to end up with this person as your counsellor, unless you want to be counselled for rape by someone who apparently sniggered in the Scottish Parliament as rape survivors explained why they need to be examined by a female person.

wellbehavedwomen - that needs to go somewhere more public than MN. Brilliant post

I so hope that the mainstream media pick up on this misogynistic madness.

I don't for one minute think people who are truly dysphoric would go through transition for nefarious purposes. I do think male sex offenders and those with serious paraphilias and fetishism would though. You wouldn't believe the lengths some men will go to to get their kicks.
The trouble is how do women know who is truly dysphoric and who is trouble? We don't so in certain circumstances single sex spaces must stand. This individual should be no where near any rape crisis centre.

You are NOT being unreasonable.

@Tuscancat

I don't for one minute think people who are truly dysphoric would go through transition for nefarious purposes. I do think male sex offenders and those with serious paraphilias and fetishism would though. You wouldn't believe the lengths some men will go to to get their kicks. The trouble is how do women know who is truly dysphoric and who is trouble? We don't so in certain circumstances single sex spaces must stand. This individual should be no where near any rape crisis centre.

Someone may also not intentionally be saying and doing the things they do for consciously nefarious reasons.

They may just be terribly egotistical and locked into an ideology that is incompatible with women's rights. That goes for transwomen and their so-called allies.

When they figure out a way to get on with their lives without fucking women over as in the OP's article, then we can all get somewhere.

Transwomen need to stop taking women's places and spaces.

@honeyytoast

I’m not anti trans at all but this is so weird - people in crisis because of rape don’t need to be challenged on their prejudices, because they’re irrelevant in this situation, surely. Unless they were hurling verbal/physical abuse, it’s irrelevant. A victim of SA does not need to be lectured on unrelated topics while they’re being helped

I think honeytoast, you will find that feeling that something isn’t as portrayed with anything that trans activists have described, that weirdness, as ‘anti trans’.

Did you know that it is considered ‘anti trans’ to even think there could be any situation where the rights being sought by some trans people are in conflict in any way with women or children’s rights?

The very fact you have expressed confusion is considered ‘anti trans’ in those people’s eyes. The Liberal Democrats released a manifesto telling us all so.

Please reconsider how you use that phrase.

Most people who are fighting for the rights of women to be upheld want to ensure that trans people still have protections from discrimination and still have safety. We are NOT anti trans. We simply wish to make sure the protections for women and children are strengthened for any new loopholes created by the changes.

If this is ‘anti trans’, then it shows that those people pushing for these law changes are ‘anti women’ and ‘anti children’. They are certainly not ‘pro women’ in any way because it leaves a legacy of weak legislation, and lowered boundaries.

Once you see that dissonance, as you have already expressed seeing, you will never not see it ….. unless you are deliberately ignoring it for your own reasons.

Once you see where the foundation underpinning that push come from, the deliberate destabilisation of society and the philosopher Foucault is well worth researching as to his personal reasons for being a proponent of this destabilisation, you will never see that foundation as being strong enough to support a pro woman and children stance. Foundations requiring compelled beliefs and contradictory thinking always crumble under pressure.

YANBU. I am still get nervous around tall, long haired men, because of my assault 15 years ago. It never leaves us and we deserve sex segregated safe spaces.

Anyone who is in denial about how far this agenda has gone should read the transcript of the Guilty Feminist podcast with Mridul where the comments about "reframing trauma" was made. Not just to read MW, but the supposedly "feminist" women. Zero compassion for women. Just virtue signalling and pushing the trans agenda.

@wellbehavedwomen

I want to print your post and stick it up all over the place!

@NCBlossom

It’s all just totally illogical nonsense however too.

You cannot say on the one hand that it’s too traumatizing for a trans woman to use the male bathrooms but not too traumatizing for a woman who is fleeing from a man who beat and raped her to stay in a hostel managed by a man.

I agree with this.

The language is chilling. I hope MN HQ allows this thread to stay, to allow women to express their dismay, and hopefully some sympathetic media will also pick it up and support us, to get the message out and into the mainstream.

@YetAnotherSpartacus

I so hope that the mainstream media pick up on this misogynistic madness.

Sadly you can guarantee this is one thread that won't end up in the daily mail.

Sorry I see this point has already been made.

TRANSCRIPT of Mridul Wadhwa on the Guilty Feminist podcast for anyone wondering what was said

Given the fixation on rape crisis centres by other transwomen such as Morgane Oger ogre I can't believe this person has taken this job out of purely concern for raped women. It feel like an infiltration. Rather than attacking from the outside like Oger is, this person is attacking women's rights to single sex spaces from the inside.

TRANSLATION of what Mridul Wadhwa said, by @Artichokeleaves

"expect to be, despite your trauma, your needs and protected characteristics, to be harassed and forced to view these needs as prejudices that are unacceptable and deserving of punishment, and the price of our help will be this struggle session and possibly the punishment of our disapproval, our scolding and our threat of withholding help. And we'll tell you too that in order to get over your trauma you must accept that male people are not male if they say so and that your fears of male people are not as important as male people's wishes, and your feelings do not matter and are not valid and must be corrected, because male feelings matter more. And thus we can enable male people to have their desire of all female refuges being opened to them, because any problems female people speak of is now viewed as all their fault'."

Hi all, am just catching up with the responses. Thank you all - I can confirm that I have had loads of therapy over the years with female therapists. I cannot overstate how comforting it is to be sharing trauma with a female therapist who knows that we live within a system that, at the very least, does not protect women from male violence. In that therapy room, I know I am safe and understood.