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Friend annoyed that I wouldn't split the bill

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notonyournelleee · 09/08/2021 09:48

6 of us went out for a nice meal for DFriend's birthday.

I was the only one who didn't drink alcohol. Just a few lemonades. At the end one person said 'Should we just split the bill then?' But she didn't say it as a question, more of a leading statement. She then got her phone out and split it 6 ways. Came to just over £40 each!

I said 'Sorry, no. You've all drunk quite a bit and I've had no alcohol at all. Would you mind if I pay separately?'

They said yeah fine... and the atmosphere was a little odd after that. We all went our separate ways after that. It wasn't a particularly expensive place but not cheap. Food very reasonably priced but of course the alcohol stacked up the bill significantly

Ive been messaged my birthday girl this morning to say I was really out of order and should've just split. Everyone was a bit upset.

AIBU to not have split?!

I felt like I was being fair there. She also said she was opening her gifts from me in the evening but I've had no words in a way of thank you Sad

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SofiaMichelle · 09/08/2021 13:32

Wow! YANBU!

The CFs!

me4real · 09/08/2021 13:33

YANBU @notonyournelleee . Especially if money is tight- or YANBU either way really.

SmallPrawnEnergy · 09/08/2021 13:35

Relying on others to remember you weren't drinking or just had a starter when they may be a bit tipsy just makes things awkward.
She literally reminded them how little she consumed in comparison and if it makes you that “awkward” to be told “my bill is almost double if we split it” you should probably think why. Probably because you’re a CF who expects others to subsides them. It’s really easy to say “oh shut yeah, ok you pay for yours and if that’s ok with others since we had about the same we will split the rest?” To be professionally offended by someone rightly not wanting to pay almost double for their meal says more about the offended than the one who speaks up.

Zhx3 · 09/08/2021 13:35

I don't know why the local rag has started picking up so many stories from MN Hmm. The laziest of journalism.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/woman-shocked-friends-message-after-21262355

woodhill · 09/08/2021 13:36

I always leave a tip so would allow for that as OP did

50ShadesOfCatholic · 09/08/2021 13:40

[quote Zhx3]I don't know why the local rag has started picking up so many stories from MN Hmm. The laziest of journalism.

www.cheshire-live.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/woman-shocked-friends-message-after-21262355[/quote]
But did you see the story about the woman with the heroin stash? Shock

BettyBakesBuns · 09/08/2021 13:41

YANBU. I've had my share of CFs like that, now if I go out in a group I make it clear from the start to the waiting staff we'll all be paying individually.

Years ago we met with 3 other couples for a new year's eve meal at a restaurant. We drove quite a long way to get there so DH wasn't drinking and I was pregnant so wasn't either. The others either walked or shared a taxi as it was much closer to them. They boozed it up all night - beer, wine, spirits, liqueurs - and then we split the bill equally. Our food and drink came to around £110, we paid £225! They were all much better off than us and probably didn't think twice about the unfairness. We vowed never to put ourselves in that position again.

StoppinBy · 09/08/2021 13:43

I am surprised how many people think you should be telling your dining mates that you wont be paying for part of their meal before you eat.

Surely the assumption should be that you pay your own way?

I also find it interesting how many say they wont split alcohol bills as a non drinker but would expect meals to be split evenly, it's all money, paying an extra $20 to cover the cost of someone else's expensive meal is no different to spending an extra $20 to cover someone else's alcohol.

It's not ever rude to pay what you owe and expect others to do the same.

rookiemere · 09/08/2021 13:45

@SmallPrawnEnergy I totally agree in this situation that OP did nothing wrong.

However if I've had a few drinks then it's not really up to me to remember who had what, far better if the sober person handles the bill as they're better equipped to work it out.

There is a bit of a presumption on this thread that the person who ate and drank the most grabs the bill and demands it is split equally. In reality nobody wants to work out the bill split - it's a thankless task. I do it for the same reason that I organise get togethers - because somebody has to do it.

Perfectly happy if someone goes I didn't drink alcohol here's my share including soft drinks and a tip. Less so if someone sits there saying nothing but feeling aggrieved or expects someone else to work out their share.

Pottedpalm · 09/08/2021 13:47

Equally annoying is friends who buy you a drink as a thank you for driving them, but wait until your second drink, knowing it will be water or a soft drink. I realised one friend was regularly doing this so I got a coke for myself and then when she did her usual ‘ooh must get you a drink as a thank you for drving!’, I said ‘ Do you know, I think I will have a glass of wine’. She wasn’t best pleased.

SavageTomato · 09/08/2021 13:47

YANBU, OP, I would have some wine on a meal out, but be happy to pick that cost up and not split it with others who are on soft drinks. What really annoys me is people ruining a meal out by being arsey about splitting costs. Sometimes that's like the case here, expecting you to cover their drinks as well. Sometimes that's people wanting to split it down to the last penny (thinking of an ex colleague here, who always did this, more on principle than anything else). It should be fun and relaxed, not spending the last 20 minutes arguing about a few quid here and there and going home unhappy at the end. And yeah, some of the stories here are shocking. Thank goodness for my friends, one in particular who I owe about 3 meals and drinks to at the moment, not for want of trying to pay my way, or for both of us. She will NOT be paying next time!

WombatChocolate · 09/08/2021 13:47

When the difference is a couple of quid, splitting makes sense. When it’s been a case of the drinkers didn’t have a pudding or starter, but the non-drinker did, splitting it looks okay. When it’s £20 more or double the bill for the non-drinker, that’s not okay as an assumption.

The groups I go out with, are first to say to a non-drinker ‘you work out yours and we will split the rest’ - and surely that’s the considerate approach, because it removes the onus from the non-drinker to have to suggest themselves that they pay less.

Good manners is all about making others feel comfortable. Assuming a bill will be split, when people have eaten/drunk at very different levels isn’t considerate behaviour. It’s inconsiderate to not raise it as a big drinker and leave the non-drinker to bring it up. What that suggests is that the drinkers hope the non-drinker won’t raise it, but sub them. To then also feel annoyed or to text about it later, when the non-drinker does raise it, is simply clueless and rude.

It is fine if a non-drinker is offered the chance to pay their own way (plus always important to add in for the tip so there is no sense that they are ending up susideised) and turns down the offer and says they will split it.

I’m often a non-drinker. If others have drunk a lot, I will happily accept the offer to pay for my costs when one of them always raises it. I will always say what I’m paying and also say I’m including whatever for the tip too. If there hasn’t been lots of drinking, or I’ve had an expensive non alcoholic drink like a cocktail, or also had a coffee etc, I will usually suggest we just split it. And sometimes if we go out for just a drink or something, I will make sure I buy a round, even if I’m not drinking.

I don’t want to be a penny-pincher or someone counting the pennies and insisting on paying exactly for what I’ve had, but that seems different from not wanting to pay double what one’s bill has come to…..and most people can see that.

Some people are cheeky though and hope to have a big night out and be subbed. They don’t seem to realise how expensive their 3 or 4 restaurant drinks are and when faced with their personalised bill or a bill split between several big drinkers and rather shocked. Perhaps that’s because they’ve had multiple meals where a non-drinker or 2 have brought down the average price, so they’ve thought that’s the actual cost of their meal. Either way, it doesn’t take much thinking or looking or at the bill to see that a person ordering 3 lots of £8 drinks and a pudding, has spent a good £20 more than someone with 2 £3 soft drinks and no pudding.

The place where it all hets difficult is when there are bottles of wine and someone says they want to pay less and not split drinks bill as they only had one glass. That is too complicated and not on I think. If you ‘go in’ on the wine bottles, you basically have to split the ones you go-in on. It can be possible when people say ‘let’s get another bottle’ to say at that point ‘I’m stopping drinking now, so don’t count me in on contributing to this one if you want to get another’ …although still tricky when the bill comes. In this case, better to just buy your wine by the glass and to pay for that.

BlueMongoose · 09/08/2021 13:48

Splitting the bill evenly is something I hate. When I was young and very badly paid but not brave enough to say No, I won't split the bill, the possibility of that being done at the end of a meal used to make me feel sick all through a meal. I used to chose the cheapest things possible to eat and drink on the basis that if I was pressured into splitting the bill it would at least keep it down a little bit. Splitting a bill evenly is a disgusting practice, and it hits the poorest hardest, whilst often the well off eat expensive things regardless of the effect on the poorest, which is beyond disgusting. In the end, I wouldn't go out with people who did it.

It's particularly vile when it isn't agreed at the outset. It should never, ever be done at the end of the meal if it hasn't been agreed at the start. I'd never suggest it or agree to it now.

TatianaBis · 09/08/2021 13:48

It’s fine if you say upfront at the start of a meal - “I’m on a budget would you mind if I just pay for myself”.

Pulling it out at the end of the meal isn’t great. Particularly as it’s a birthday celebration. That just looks churlish and mingey.

I’d just have stumped up the money without complaint unless you’re genuinely broke.

ShortBacknSides · 09/08/2021 13:49

But my entire meal came to just under £19

I don't disagree that you shouldn't have to subsidise a big alcohol bill, if you were drinking lemonade.

But people who tot up exactly what they ordered and leave just that amount are also unreasonable. There are often other things, like a share of the tip, salads, bread, etc. These are the extras that come with eating out in a group.

Several times, I've been stuck with paying a lot extra because some people leave early and leave exactly their food cost & nothing more ...

chopc · 09/08/2021 13:49

I used to have a lot of Muslim friends who didn't drink so was used to separating the food and alcohol. However some friends insist on splitting the whole bill which makes me uncomfortable

aSofaNearYou · 09/08/2021 13:50

@TatianaBis

It’s fine if you say upfront at the start of a meal - “I’m on a budget would you mind if I just pay for myself”.

Pulling it out at the end of the meal isn’t great. Particularly as it’s a birthday celebration. That just looks churlish and mingey.

I’d just have stumped up the money without complaint unless you’re genuinely broke.

People keep saying things like this, but why is it not great? Your logic implies people SHOULD be able to deliberately order more than they can afford, because they know it will be evened out by the other people there.
notonyournelleee · 09/08/2021 13:50

@ShortBacknSides there were no salads or bread.

But anyway, as I said, I left £25, not £19

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CounsellorTroi · 09/08/2021 13:52

But people who tot up exactly what they ordered and leave just that amount are also unreasonable. There are often other things, like a share of the tip, salads, bread, etc. These are the extras that come with eating out in a group.

Surely that depends if they partook of the salads, breads etc. If they didn't then there's no reason why they should have to include them in their share.

LaLaFlottes · 09/08/2021 13:54

I think they are out of order for not suggesting that you pay less as you weren't drinking!

If they were too drunk to think to say this then I think it's quite right that you did.

The birthday girl is very out of line for messaging you about it too saying that people were upset! Upset that you didn't want to double your bill to pay for their drinks?

Honestly - you were quite within your rights not to pay double!

BarbaraofSeville · 09/08/2021 13:55

In reality nobody wants to work out the bill split - it's a thankless task

But surely people can work out their own? Pre-covid, I used to go on a monthly meal with a club I'm involved in - usually around 8-12 people. Everyone paid their way rather than even split and the amount of money put in was always right within a quid or two of the total bill plus a 10% tip. It's not hard.

You just remember 'my starter was 5.95, main 14, drink 7.5' call it 28, so you put 30 in, or 31/32 if you have a quid or two in change. If you'd shared sides for the table, stick another couple of quid in on top. Or there was swapping of notes to put the right amount in and someone might take out a couple of quid if it was there, eg their total was £30 and they wanted to leave a tip but not £5 for example.

The odd one or two made notes in their phone or on a scrap of paper if they wanted to, but we always got the bill sorted without any fuss.

Antwerpen · 09/08/2021 13:56

@notonyournelleee

I've not been out with this group before, just the birthday girl. I don't really know the others

For what it's worth I put down £25 to cover myself. My bill was just below £19

More than fair
riceuten · 09/08/2021 13:58

Generally it depends on the amount, and the amount of booze consumed. I've grudgingly paid up a few times when I've hardly drunken a thing, because not to do so would have created ill-feeling. Classic English, right there

In Germany, pooling a restaurant or bar bill is seen as madness. It takes forever to pay a bill at a restaurant however.

Skiptheheartsandflowers · 09/08/2021 13:58

@notonyournelleee

Should also add that none of them left a tip either! Just me
Bunch of arses. Don't feel bad, you were perfectly reasonable and birthday girl has been rude and ungrateful.
TatianaBis · 09/08/2021 13:58

People keep saying things like this, but why is it not great? Your logic implies people SHOULD be able to deliberately order more than they can afford, because they know it will be evened out by the other people there.

Because it’s gauche and penny pinching. Fine if you’re genuinely on a budget and didn’t realise the bill would be spilt. Otherwise cringey.

There’s no logic to linking what I said to ordering more than you can afford - total non sequitur. Who does that anyway?