To ask why you haven't/won't have the covid vaccine?

[shuz1980]

Is it because your an anti vaxxer? Concerned about long term side effects?

Of course, all the posts being hailed as brilliant on here are full of bad science and misinformation:( Day of Peace's post is wrong from beginning to end, but it's the weekend and I am not going to bother wasting my time. Can be easily factchecked if you Google though.

@FromEden maybe try reading the whole CDC report rather than a soundbite. More to it than that..

@Shitapillar

Well, most people have a 99% chance of surviving covid. This jab is experimental. So why the fuck would anyone in their right mind take it, or guilt and shame anyone else who chooses not to take it.

Because if no one took it, we'd still be on square one. It's not completely experimental, the underlying science is well established and side effects tend to be short term rather than long term, so we'd know by now if there was anything terrible. Do you understand how it works? It teaches your body to recognise a certain protein, that's it.

Personally I can't see why anyone in their right mind would want to take the chance of an unnecessary and gruesome death alone, but there you are.

Not to mention the impact on others. Covid has a terrible impact on ICUs as patients stay much longer, so it's harder to treat people with heart attacks, road accidents, strokes etc.

I have my reasons and they should be respected but I don't feel they are.

Respecting all opinions isn't compulsory. I expect there are people who have opinions you don't respect, though they might consider them perfectly reasonable.

but I don’t like the push, the mandates, the shaming for anyone who says they don’t want it. I’m an awkward old cuss, the coercion around this is almost enough to not take it all.

Commonly known as cutting off your nose to spite your face. I'm pretty healthy. Not high risk at all. Covid wiped me out for weeks. The vaccine made me feel a bit funny for 48 hours. Pointing the finger at people in Wuhan two years ago is irrelevant to what you can do now to protect yourself and help protect others.

Are the unvaccinated still following other guidelines to reduce the risks - WFH, shopping online, avoiding crowded places etc?

maybe try reading the whole CDC report rather than a soundbite

I will do that tomorrow. But I literally watched her say that on TV so perhaps if it's not quite accurate she should do a better job of stating the facts.

I am unsure whether to be frightened by reading this thread because of the number of people who are still willing to expose themselves to a potentially dangerous disease and to not reduce the potential of passing it to others maybe with a mutation or to be reassured by the number of expert scientists and medics on here some of whom got their qualifications from the universities of Facebook and Twitter

I have my reasons and they should be respected but I don't feel they are.

I do respect people’s right to make what I consider is a bad choice. I don’t respect the reasons themselves as valid. A lot of time, the reasons people give are anti vax nonsense and I think it’s fine to challenge the “science” people are spouting.

Covid wiped me out for weeks. The vaccine made me feel a bit funny for 48 hours

Covid just gave me a runny nose for 48 hours. Some people are suffering from side effects of the vaccine weeks after having it.

It's a lottery both ways.

It's a lottery both ways.

With totally different odds.

@RampantIvy

Are the unvaccinated still following other guidelines to reduce the risks - WFH, shopping online, avoiding crowded places etc?

I am yes, for my own sake rather than 'the greater good' though because I'm heavily pregnant.

@MareofBeasttown With you there, 100%.

@Dayofpeace post is pseudoscience at it's very best/worst.
Waiting for explanation/sources.

(I'm a former molecular virologist, with 20+ yrs experience of the area, in relation to human clinical virology and immunotherapeutics).

No-one should be perpetuating misinformation here as fact.

I have two good friends who have not had the vaccine. Neither are anti-vaxx and have had other vaccines in the past.

One is pregnant and is concerned because the guidance on whether to get the vaccination or not has not been clear so she is waiting until after she has given birth to get the vaccine. She’s been shielding since 28 weeks.

The other friend has a history of allergies had a severe anaphylaxis reaction to medication (I think maybe an antibiotic but I can’t remember for sure) as a child. Her sister who has a similar medical history had a reaction to the vaccine and ended up in hospital so the friend is anxious about getting it, she hasn’t ruled it out completely but she is not in a high risk group so hasn’t had it yet.

@XenoBitch - posting on every 'vaccine thread' - clearly has an agenda hidden behind her 'anxiety'.
@Dayofpeace - so much misinformation in one post.

• I guess these threads will stop eventually.

Lady I know wouldn't have vaccine.
She died of covid yesterday age 64.

DayofPeace
’With regard to vaccination for others or “the greater good”, vaccinated people still catch Covid and still shed the same amount of virus to others. So one person’s vaccine will not protect another person, despite all the virtue-signalling that it will’

This isn’t true. Research (more than one study) shows that vaccinated people who catch Covid have similar viral loads as the unvaccinated in the first 5 days, then see a much faster reduction than in unvaccinated people.
Add that to the fact that double vaxxed people are less likely to be infected in the first place and you have good evidence to show that vaccination reduces the spread of Covid.
www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.28.21261295v1

I think people are idiots if they don’t get it.

I only got the vaccine because i have a vulnerable child and for various reasons i really couldnt manage being wiped out for a couple of weeks because of covid (mainly because I express breastmilk for her and it is essential i continue). Also because of international travel as my parents etc are in France.
Otherwise no i wouldn't have gotten it at this stage, mainly because my own risk factors re covid are pretty minimal.
My parents and my brother are all refusing it. Because of concerns re new technology to some extent and the speed of the process. And the immense pressure in France to get it (unsurprisingly it achieves the opposite result for some). I respect their choices.

I think people are idiots if they don’t get it.

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I'm hanging back until I see what, if any, hormonal impact comes out of the vaccines. Hormones are a real issue for me, always have been. While it's entirely possible that Covid may wreak more hormonal havoc than the jab(s) I can't quite bring myself to take a deliberate step that may put me on a hormonal rollercoaster.

While I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't really trust the institution of medicine to truly care about women's bodies.

RampantIvy

Are the unvaccinated still following other guidelines to reduce the risks - WFH, shopping online, avoiding crowded places etc?

Yes, definitely, and will continue to do so despite the crowds of vaccinated folk around me who seem to think the jab is some kind of magical forcefield. The false sense of security is dismaying, albeit understandable.

I agree that too many people believe that the vaccine on its own is the magic bullet. I subscribe to the Swiss Cheese Theory, and observe all the risk lowering tactics, including vaccination.

@Byheckythump

When I was pregnant, I wouldn't even take an aspirin

I was extremely cautious when I was pregnant too but I think if I was pregnant now I would have it. I had the Whooping cough and flu vaccines while pregnant actually not knowing much about either of those vaccines at the time....

Further, I am concerned what kind of morality suggests that young people should en masse receive a new biotech vaccine with no long term safety data in order to protect the elderly? We older people should always protect the young, not vice versa.

@Dayofpeace

elderly should read vulnerable. A life is a life.

And the last sentence is the most vague, emotive, nonsense sound bite I have read on here in a long time. This is not a wildlife documentary about penguins.

Personally im not getting the vaccine because im currently 30 weeks pregnant and not feeling to take a chance on a vaccine that hasn't been out that long and my unborn child's life. I've heard horror stories about women miscarrying after the vaccine with many saying it would have happened anyway but how do we know? 🤔

I dont think theres enough evidence to risk it and im still not sure about getting it once im not pregnant.

I know 4 people who have had the vaccine and still got covid and i thought the whole point of the vaccine was that you couldn't get it after the vaccine so im struggling to see the point.

My partner's had covid whilst ive being pregnant and thank god none of us in the house got it as we took precautions. Im not an anti vaxer at all and have every vaccination under the sun and have never questioned it.

However, with this vaccine i question the speed at which it was produced and how quickly it has been rolled out to everyone. Im going to let more time pass and weigh up the pros and cons before making an informed decision for my family who knows things may change in the future.