Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

@FTEngineerM

Is it proof *@Geamhradh*?

Did they test the same places prior to implementing the regime and what was the outcome? Covid-19 virus everywhere/Some of the high contact areas/A few..

Not the foggiest. You're the one who brought it to the thread.

I feel for the young too ; they were being shafted long before all this :( I worry about my two as well , but I guess we have to trust that things will look up at some stage. Always hope.

@Chippingbird23

Any names of these doctors and politicians? Speaking out about what?

The Tory chancellor didn't throw money around with abandon.

It will all by clawed back by taxation. Tax on the self employed is already set to rise dramatically. Our future working generations will be paying it all back for a long time.

Yes, the young will suffer the most paying it all back. It was just unprecedented in the early days how they threw money at it and a bit of a sea change after years of austerity.
I appreciate it will take decades to get back to even 2019 levels.

@ZednotZee

We are sleepwalking in to oblivion.

I was an atheist until six months ago, but there are such evil, nefarious agendas at play that it has made me believe in a higher power as the antithesis to the current narrative.

Yes I am aware how that sounds.

Can you give an idea of what terrible things you are thinking of here?

I'm lost - what evil agendas are you talking about?

Broadly I think there will be a loss of civil liberties, of personal autonomy.
I believe there is a depopulation agenda.

I believe that the overarching contemporary conspiracy theory is that the governments of this world are in any way invested in protecting any of us on an individual or even a population level.

I believe that we are no more than collateral damage.

I believe that the greatest trick satan ever pulled was the secular agenda and convincing the populace that he doesn't exist.

I believe that the world, as it stands resolutely belongs to him.

However I understand that my beliefs at this time mark me out as a fringe theory conspracist/religious nutjob.

I very much hope that in time it transpires that I am one.

I understand that it is terrifying to even consider that my beliefs can be founded in anything appropriating reality.

However 'believing in science' is nothing more than a false idol.
Science is not a deity, nor is it a belief system.
I have been acquainting myself with the bible, in particular the book of revelation.

And I am terrified and resigned to the future in equal measure.

Call me fucking crazy, I wish more than anything else that I could concur.

I think it's a known coping strategy when things are feeling chaotic and unpredictable we look for structure or organisation in it to comfort ourselves.

In this case I think people find it more comforting to think this is all part of a bigger plan than face the reality that the foundations of our society could very easily be toppled by a virus. I believe there were similar conspiracy theories when we had Spanish flu.

I also think our government are lying incompetent twats who have used the pandemic as an opportunity to line the pockets of their mates and for this reason people know not to believe them and try to fill in the gaps themselves and end up believing shit they read online instead. This is how conspiracy theories spread!

@ZednotZee

Broadly I think there will be a loss of civil liberties, of personal autonomy. I believe there is a depopulation agenda.

I believe that the overarching contemporary conspiracy theory is that the governments of this world are in any way invested in protecting any of us on an individual or even a population level.

I believe that we are no more than collateral damage.

I believe that the greatest trick satan ever pulled was the secular agenda and convincing the populace that he doesn't exist.

I believe that the world, as it stands resolutely belongs to him.

However I understand that my beliefs at this time mark me out as a fringe theory conspracist/religious nutjob.

I very much hope that in time it transpires that I am one.

I understand that it is terrifying to even consider that my beliefs can be founded in anything appropriating reality.

However 'believing in science' is nothing more than a false idol.
Science is not a deity, nor is it a belief system.
I have been acquainting myself with the bible, in particular the book of revelation.

And I am terrified and resigned to the future in equal measure.

Call me fucking crazy, I wish more than anything else that I could concur.

Ok you are fucking crazy. next!

Look at something relatively simple like one country leaving a joint organisation. Look at the mess it still is after over 5 years.

How ON EARTH could the every country of the world come together and organise a fake pandemic?

Your feeling, OP, is pure and simple social psychology.

Feeling that something is 'weird/wrong' is first of all perfectly normal. We all have a need for knowledge/information or an explanation of why something is happening. We want to feel we have the truth, especially in more uncertain situations. So we look for information - and with the rise of social media, the information we see or hear may not necessarily be a good or accurate source of the truth.
We want to feel in control - and that's not necessarily possible in all situations. But a conspiracy theory at least gives an explanation for why we feel powerless which then makes us feel better about not being in control, because we have some information. Back to the beginning!

ZednotZee I truly believe your fears are misplaced. I hope that some time in the future you will be able to see that they are. It must be horrible to live with those fears right now on top of everything else we are all dealing with. I genuinely hope you find some peace of mind.

That was the whole point @Geamhradh I don’t think it does prove it because the information isn’t available. When you answered that point specifically saying it was proof the cleaning regime was working I thought you’d have some further answers. Seems not.

I can’t remember the PPs name, sorry I could look back but it was a few pages I think, who said that people who are dismissive or conspiracy theorists can’t know anyone who has died from covid. I sort of agree with that, it seems logical too. I’m not into the conspiracy theories, I don’t think the government has injected a 5G transmitter into my arm, but I have questions. I only know one person who has died. A distant family member that I’ve never met, she was 82! I know one other person who has caught it, he was 24 and fine.

So if you were in that situation, where you were being told repetitively for greater impact and compliance that this virus is extremely deadly and contagious but your reality of it was very very different. Would you not think how that could be? Try to understand why everything you know was totally different from what you’re being told?

I think it’s a bit unnecessary to lump everyone with questions together as stupid/crazy, questions are part of being human. Wanting to understand things.

As I said, I hope you are all correct.

There is no joy, ego based or otherwise in the alternative.

@ZednotZee

As I said, I hope you are all correct.

There is no joy, ego based or otherwise in the alternative.

I am interested in why and how you came to these conclusions you have.

My main reason for not believing in giant conspiracies is what some people call the 'jenga effect' - that, however much money and power you have, there is no way that you wouldn't get at least one, if not many people either giving the game away accidentally, or taking a principled stand and blowing the whistle if you have thousands of people involved. If you've ever organised anything with more than a couple of people you'll know how hard even that is.

It is interesting that this thread reveals quite a lot of people in a mid-position of 'Covid is real but authority will do something dodgy on the back of it', and I think that's not unreasonable. And that's not a conspiracy, that's capitalism, it will try to turn the effects of this to its advantage, but hopefully there is also pushback - against polluting travel, I vaguely hope for better pay and more respect for our key workers. But as ever, the poorest pay the most for upheavals

@foxandbee

Its horrible indeed but also kind of freeing.

I don't expect to be protected by the government.

The lack of expectation to place my faith in mankind has redirected it to what I believe to be a more legitimate direction.

I believe that the greatest trick satan ever pulled was the secular agenda and convincing the populace that he doesn't exist.

I think you may actually want to look into the history of Satan.

I do know a few people who've had Covid, including our DD at uni. Thankfully all fine, none needed medical treatment.

Our friend's elderly mother was admitted to hospital, not with Covid but with a severe UTI which had made her very confused, she was on a drip etc. She then developed complications and sadly died. The day before she died she tested + for covid and her cause of death was recorded as covid. This was a few weeks ago, I'm sure hers was not an isolated case. Very strange, imo.

@Blondiney

I feel like that too. Something incredibly sinister about it all, especially the way we’re all so compliant.

OFGS.

@ZednotZee

We are sleepwalking in to oblivion.

I was an atheist until six months ago, but there are such evil, nefarious agendas at play that it has made me believe in a higher power as the antithesis to the current narrative.

Yes I am aware how that sounds.

Please can you say more, I'm genuinely interested despite of what it sounds like. What higher power do you believe in and what are these agendas?

Anyone who has ever project managed anything will tell you that there is no fucking way a slick global conspiracy is at all possible.

You’re paranoid.

@FullMoonInsomnia

Well I suppose it started with the obfuscation of facts by our social superiors.
We are only ever told, historically that which it is deemed we can handle at any given point in our history.
Ergo, we are not in full possession of the facts regarding covid.

And thw narrative has been utilised to further an agenda which serves the upper echelons of society. It seems to be a power grab. It has enabled the transfer of wealth to the 1%.

We arent questioning the genesis of the virus. We are fighting amongst ourselves.
Left vs right
Vaxxed vs unvaxxed
Wc vs mc
BLM? Black vs white
Woke vs Conservative
Generation vs generation
Belief in the sciences belief in bodily autonomy

Ad infinitum...

Divide and conquer 101.

And further from this there is the whole trans agenda which is being pushed through on the coattails of a disenfranchised and increasingly obeying society.

To me, it has become apparent that the agenda is evil.
That it serves us, as a populace in no tangible way.
That it serves the 1% entirely. And more to the point, who are they in any case?
That we have been entrapped by fear.

And fear is the most divisive and most controlling weapon in the psychological armour. It has been to any logical person wholly misappropriated relative to the actual risk of this virus.

Its strange indeed; I studied philosophy as an undergraduate.
I used to roll my eyes during the lectures of Plato and Descartes, so convinced were these antiquated men that God existed. Apropos of precisely what?!? I used to scoff.

Well, you know now I see that being convinced of the agenda of evil is perhaps the 'easy' way to becoming comfortable with the existence of the opposite.

At the risk of sounding verifiably crazy, which at this point in proceedings admittedly bothers me little; once you see it, you can't unsee it.

I wish I could.

No I don’t feel this way
But that is because I work in healthcare and have seen/heard so much. Also I am logical and anything that has such a high infection rate is going to be tackled by some kind of preventative medicine, seen as prevention is pretty much they key to almost all modern diseases. We automatically vaccinate our children and millions of people from flu every year.

Agree that the conspiracy theory makes no sense, the money poured into this is at an incomprehensible level, it makes no sense that every government in the entire world would be ‘in’ on some kind of shady scam

[quote ZednotZee]@FullMoonInsomnia

Well I suppose it started with the obfuscation of facts by our social superiors.
We are only ever told, historically that which it is deemed we can handle at any given point in our history.
Ergo, we are not in full possession of the facts regarding covid.

And thw narrative has been utilised to further an agenda which serves the upper echelons of society. It seems to be a power grab. It has enabled the transfer of wealth to the 1%.

We arent questioning the genesis of the virus. We are fighting amongst ourselves.
Left vs right
Vaxxed vs unvaxxed
Wc vs mc
BLM? Black vs white
Woke vs Conservative
Generation vs generation
Belief in the sciences belief in bodily autonomy

Ad infinitum...

Divide and conquer 101.

And further from this there is the whole trans agenda which is being pushed through on the coattails of a disenfranchised and increasingly obeying society.

To me, it has become apparent that the agenda is evil.
That it serves us, as a populace in no tangible way.
That it serves the 1% entirely. And more to the point, who are they in any case?
That we have been entrapped by fear.

And fear is the most divisive and most controlling weapon in the psychological armour. It has been to any logical person wholly misappropriated relative to the actual risk of this virus.

Its strange indeed; I studied philosophy as an undergraduate.
I used to roll my eyes during the lectures of Plato and Descartes, so convinced were these antiquated men that God existed. Apropos of precisely what?!? I used to scoff.

Well, you know now I see that being convinced of the agenda of evil is perhaps the 'easy' way to becoming comfortable with the existence of the opposite.

At the risk of sounding verifiably crazy, which at this point in proceedings admittedly bothers me little; once you see it, you can't unsee it.

I wish I could.[/quote]
Yes I agree with you about all of that.