Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

@ZednotZee

So faith should be optional but secularism is evil? How does that work?

Free will, that was rather the point of the happenings within Genesis.

And it isn't that secularism is in and of itself evil, rather it is a precursor to the acceptance of evil.

Many secular people can recognise evil intent and goings on in the world. Not all of them join the dots and turn to Christ.

Just caught up on the thread and wanted to lend my support to ZednotZee. To be a Christian in todays cynical world is not easy, but Christians are called to follow Jesus and share our beliefs for the benefit of others, that the Lord may touch their hearts and inspire them to look a little deeper. Ultimately no one is forced to believe, but the door is always open to those who seek with all their hearts. To feel “The peace that transcends all understanding” regardless of the circumstances and to sense His presence and love is a gift that puts everything else in context for me. Gods word, the Bible has stood the test of time, is clear and a handbook for life. It’s for us to adapt accordingly, by asking for His strength to do so. It is not for us to dictate to Him! @ZednotZee, Matthew 13: 15,16 Peter 3:3,4 John 12:39,40. Bless you for your witness.

So you think that if people don't have beliefs (your specific beliefs in particular) they will eventually accept evil?

Its not a choice between belief in Christ and support of Satan.

As I said plenty of secular people who I talk to can recognise the emergence of evil and ill intent in the world without relating it to Satan/Christ.

@pantherrose

Thank you for your support, your understanding and for walking with me in Christ ❤

If you look through the OPs posts, they deliberately engage with someone who seems vulnerable and suggests a separate conspiracy theory. It's a fairly established tactic of keeping a conspiracy theory going, as (like a virus) it needs to mutate to stay alive. If it was just focused on one thing, it's easy to disprove. If someone disproves one point (like the ambulance sirens nonsense) it's ignored and moved on to something else like climate change or big government. No one admits they were wrong or that they believed internet guff.

Like others have said it's a human fear response played out. If you can pinpoint blame, you can do something. If others feel scared too, you aren't alone. Anything to stop the idea that it's a random event with unknown consequences. No control or agency in that.

Thankfully, most of Mumsnet see through this conspiracy bullshit.

@ZednotZee

Why would it be a bad thing for me to work in healthcare?

Because I believe we are currently experiencing the tribulations as prophesied by scripture?

I shouldn't be providing healthcare because of my beliefs, is that it?

Oh my. Tribulations as prophesied by scripture

There have been other pandemics and wars and famines and their will be more to come. Do you walk up and down with a board proclaiming 'The End Is Nigh'

I worry for you and many on here.

There not their

@Thatsjustwhatithink

If you look through the OPs posts, they deliberately engage with someone who seems vulnerable and suggests a separate conspiracy theory. It's a fairly established tactic of keeping a conspiracy theory going, as (like a virus) it needs to mutate to stay alive. If it was just focused on one thing, it's easy to disprove. If someone disproves one point (like the ambulance sirens nonsense) it's ignored and moved on to something else like climate change or big government. No one admits they were wrong or that they believed internet guff.

Like others have said it's a human fear response played out. If you can pinpoint blame, you can do something. If others feel scared too, you aren't alone. Anything to stop the idea that it's a random event with unknown consequences. No control or agency in that.

Thankfully, most of Mumsnet see through this conspiracy bullshit.

100%

I do feel for the very anxious and those with MH conditions when people spread their shit around. It's awful.

As you say probably or us it hopefully most people can see the bullshit for what it is

This thread is batshit.

What year do we live in? It's as if development in science and education never happened. We will be accusing witches next.

@Mummyford vaccine escape is not theoretical (ie not demonstrated empirically) and is mainstream in science. It has been for many decades. Although it has been more commonly discussed with reference to evolutionary virology and selection pressure.

Because nobody in the scientific community had even considered that politicians would take over and push the madness of a mass vaccination programme with high rate of circulating virus in one country during a global pandemic where the majority of the global population are partially vaccinated or unvaccinated with a vaccine that does not inhibit transmission.

@ZednotZee

So you think that if people don't have beliefs (your specific beliefs in particular) they will eventually accept evil?

Its not a choice between belief in Christ and support of Satan.

As I said plenty of secular people who I talk to can recognise the emergence of evil and ill intent in the world without relating it to Satan/Christ.

But you still think that secularism is fueled by the devil. Ie people who don't share your beliefs. It's disturbing.

@DeleteSystem32

I keep explaining my beliefs to you and you keep misrepresenting them.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is now deliberate on your part or if you just fail to understand me.

Can you tell me which it is? Because if its the latter I'm more than happy to keep talking with you.

@Thatsjustwhatithink Ffs, I’m not deliberately engaging with people 🤷🏻‍♀️I’ve questioned a couple of things that have peaked my anxiety and felt reassured by a couple of posters comments

@Hueylewisandtheviews

Don't buy it. If you're anxious about covid do you really think that started a conspiracy thread is going to go anywhere good? There's a difference between being worried and anxious about something particular and trying to pretend (as you have) that's there something going on behind the scenes.

@Thatsjustwhatithink I didn’t start a conspiracy thread, I do have anxiety yes but I’m not going to justify myself to you if you’re intent on thinking I’m trying to pretend things, you can think what you like, you don’t know me or anything about me, it wasn’t my intention to do anything wrong.

[quote ZednotZee]@DeleteSystem32

I keep explaining my beliefs to you and you keep misrepresenting them.

I'm beginning to wonder if this is now deliberate on your part or if you just fail to understand me.

Can you tell me which it is? Because if its the latter I'm more than happy to keep talking with you.[/quote]
Not misrepresenting, just going off what you're saying.

Maybe I just have a bee in my bonnet after experiencing plenty of fundamentalists calling me lost/blind/unhappy/immoral/that my heart belongs to Satan because I don't share their faith, and am disturbed at people like that taking care of vulnerable people.

I’m with you OP. There is definitely something sinister going on. If you look at the statistics 2013 had more deaths by percentage of the population than 2020.

We’ve seen “the elite” being allowed, and enabled, to do the things us plebs have not been allowed to do.
We’ve seen very elderly die of, well being elderly, having Covid put on their death certificates when it was actually a heart attack, which has massively skewed the figures
Yes there is a virus out there. Yes it could kill you. But fuck me, you have to die of something.
I don’t know if it’s been said but I believe in following the money - who has become even more rich from this shit show?

I always get the sense that it’s acceptable on Mumsnet to sneer at anyone with Christian beliefs. When I was younger, I might have secretly done the same, but I would have been too polite to say anything, and I probably wouldn’t have been inclined to either - everyone is entitled to believe what they want to believe after all. As I’ve got older however, I’ve started to think that there just might be something in the theory that at the bottom of the glass God is waiting,

That said, I doubt whether Satan is to blame for everything that’s gone wrong in the past 50 years or so. Satanism, I’m not sure about. I think that a lot of art has been put into the world by people who got turned on to Satanism, having tried every permutation of sex and every available drug, because they were gullible and bored, and that what we are now seeing is the influence of their cultural power on successive generations of people brought up on a steady diet of junk food and reality TV.

I highly doubt that Satan himself is controlling events. I can easily believe however that Satanists might be - or have done, and out of boredom and stupidity rather than any evil intent.

@Mummyford if you are going to quote me you have to quote me fully. Otherwise you go off half cocked.

'Because nobody in the scientific community had even considered that politicians would take over and push the madness of a mass vaccination programme with high rate of circulating virus in one country during a global pandemic where the majority of the global population are partially vaccinated or unvaccinated with a vaccine that does not inhibit transmission. '

Vaccination programmes are not the issue.

Mass vaccination programmes are not the issue.

Context is key.

But even if we had a mass vaccination programme that was globally simultaneously delivered with a vaccine that was not sterilising and did not effectively stop people from contracting and transmitting a virus, even if it prevented severe illness, whilst there were pockets of high transmission, this would produce evolutionary selective pressure that would mean that in order to survive, it would be necessary for the virus to select stains that were resistant to the narrow immunity provided by a vaccine.

But we don't have this do we? Do you think the virus will surrender or evolve? Because I'm pretty sure that 99.9% of virologists are betting on evolution. It may be, hopefully, evolution to greater transmission and less virulence but vaccination selection pressure raises significant doubts.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

I'd be alright with zed looking after me in hospital. She sounds kind. I don't think it's necessary to share beliefs with the people in order to trust that they will do their job properly.

If you want somebody who didn't want to have a vaccination because a stem cell line was used, so they're quite possibly carrying Covid whilst simultaneously knowing that some people don't have a full immune response, yeah, go for it, I'm sure that counts as doing a job properly.

Although the time when she referred to a friend convinced this was all foretold in Revelations and the sign of the end times and said that she didn't believe that at all was only a few months ago. Guess the friend managed to convince her after all. Suppose if somebody keeps on at a vulnerable person for long enough, it's possible to convince them of most things, including magical involvement, especially when there's the existential threat of a pandemic/plague for the first time in years.

[quote Hueylewisandtheviews]@Thatsjustwhatithink I didn’t start a conspiracy thread, I do have anxiety yes but I’m not going to justify myself to you if you’re intent on thinking I’m trying to pretend things, you can think what you like, you don’t know me or anything about me, it wasn’t my intention to do anything wrong.[/quote]
I'd reread your first post. You specifically talk about pushing vaccines on children and that "we aren't allowed to talk about it". Which is clearly disproved by this thread and that no child has had the vaccine forced on them.

You're repeating misinformation and trying to stoke fear. As I've said before: bullshit.

@Thatsjustwhatithink Instead of being so rube and nasty, re-read again, I said ‘Young people’ and incentives being used, which is currently on the news, I never mentioned children.

This thread is fascinating but disturbing,

I believe in the second coming of Christ within our lifetime to save our souls and that he will defeat Satan and that we shall be given eternal life

What will happen to all us non-Christians, ZednotZee?

*Rude

I don’t know if it’s been said but I believe in following the money - who has become even more rich from this shit show?

In the UK, some of the current government's mates, for sure. But they have just taken advantage of a disaster, nothing new there, that is how capitalism works.

What will happen to all us non-Christians,ZednotZee?

I believe that those who have lived a good ĺife, done good deeds, loved their fellow man and treated every stranger as their neighbour, or tried their very best to do so, because humans are fallible and perfection is the preserve of the divine...

Irrespective of their faith or lack thereof;

When Christ reveals himself they will accept him as the Lord and one true God, the only path to the Father and will be granted eternal life in heaven.

Faith is not the only path to living a good life, eschewing evil and approaching each day with love in your heart but it sure does help to have a relationship with Jesus.

I believe that many non Christians will find the path to heaven much easier than some of those who have ostensibly spent their days mired within organised religion.

The Papacy would, I'm sure, call themselves the epitome of Christian belief but in my opinion an overwhelming proportion of them will be spending eternity in Hell.