Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

Why wasn't she vaxxed before? If she's CEV and old enough to be someone's mother she should have been done months ago.

I do find it odd that people believe the second coming of Jesus will definitely happen in their lifetime, when the Bible specifically States that no-one knows.

But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels of heaven, but my father only. As the time of Noe was, so likewise shall the coming of the son of man be. For as in the days before the flood: they did eat and drink, marry, and were married, even unto the day that Noe entered in to the ship, and knew of nothing till the flood came and took them all away. So shall also the coming of the son of man be.

So according to Matthew 24, there aren't going to BE any big signs. It won't be heralded by a giant pandemic or a sinister world order taking over.

Sort of puts the idea that the second coming is imminent, if we've noticed something is up.

[quote ZednotZee]**@ZednotZeeWho are the puppet masters being guided though?

Well, you'll get conspiracy theorists who believe its the rothschilds etc.

I don't.

If I had to guess I'd put my money on demons.
Satan's actual minions and those who have agreed to sell their souls for absolute power in this life.[/quote]
Well, thank fuck you're not an anti-Semite, eh? The conspiracy loons usually are.

@whatswithtodaytoday

Why wasn't she vaxxed before? If she's CEV and old enough to be someone's mother she should have been done months ago.

So this is extremely outing but nevemind;

My mum has a number of autoimmune issues one of them is antiphospholipid syndrome which caused her to have a PE and has occluded one of her pulmonary arteries, essentially rendering her left lung useless.

In February she had her first dose of AZ. Then we all know what happened regarding the potential clotting issues.

There was an ongoing discussion between her haematologist and immunologist regarding how she should proceed.
Last month it was decided that she could have a second dose with Pfizer and today was her appointment for that vaccination.

She still can't act as a vaccinated person due to the likelihood of a nil to inufficeient immune response so we plan to order her an antibody test in three weeks time to see where we are.

Hopefully she will be first in line for a booster come September.

@ZednotZee

No. I don't believe in forcing beliefs upon anybody.

The way to grace is through Christ. Not through mandation of anything.

Certainly not belief.

God gave us free will so that we may exercise this.

So faith should be optional but secularism is evil? How does that work?

So…we’re just all doomed then 🤷🏻‍♀️

Fair enough. I hope the vaccine works for her.

So faith should be optional but secularism is evil? How does that work?

Free will, that was rather the point of the happenings within Genesis.

And it isn't that secularism is in and of itself evil, rather it is a precursor to the acceptance of evil.

Many secular people can recognise evil intent and goings on in the world. Not all of them join the dots and turn to Christ.

Fair enough. I hope the vaccine works for her.

Thank you, I appreciate you saying that.

@tttigress

YANBU

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You have got to be joking?

What a pile of woo-peddling turd that is. She's a photographer not some clever academic or science brain. (She also speaks with a rising inflection, as if statements are questions, which is a sure sign of idiocy.)

That Lord Sumption and Neil Oliver (GB News) are lauding it tells you all you need to know.

I cannot believe that MN are allowing the promotion of such dangerous shite on here.

Well I can actually, but still...

So according to Matthew 24, there aren't going to BE any big signs. It won't be heralded by a giant pandemic or a sinister world order taking over.

Sort of puts the idea that the second coming is imminent, if we've noticed something is up.

So by that, you mean it ISN'T imminent?

@ponyexpress22

So according to Matthew 24, there aren't going to BE any big signs. It won't be heralded by a giant pandemic or a sinister world order taking over.

Sort of puts the idea that the second coming is imminent, if we've noticed something is up.

So by that, you mean it ISN'T imminent?

Yes, that is what I mean. Can't be imminent if we're not to know -- the Bible even gives a specific example of how people won't know.

So to claim to know, or to think you know, or believe you know, is to go against the gospel.

I’m not entirely sure what’s going on with all the Satan and Christ stuff, however I do believe that our western cultures are suffering from a lack of belief and it’s manifesting to a certain extent in our (over) reaction to COVID.

There have been many comments about the proportionality of our response to what is really a rather inert virus, especially in the context of our history. The lack of purpose (other than materialism) doesn’t fulfill most humans, it creates emptiness and nihilism - just look at the mental health issues we have everywhere. Yet what is within most of us is the desire to ‘take on a challenge and be heroic’ or, to slay the dragon. We are built for that. We are built to transcend ourselves for a higher purpose whether through religion or some other spiritual beliefs. We have an instinct for religion….not necessarily The Religions that exist, but something beyond just us.

In our super sanitised world, there’s no fight or dragon to slay. No higher purpose to transcend to (other than insta and a flash handbag) and you could see seeds of this frustration pre covid. Social justice warriors - they gained purpose and a fight with their causes. Climate change warriors are the epitome of this and probably what’s coming straight after covid.

Along comes Covid…we have our dragon to slay (fight, beat etc) we have our higher purpose (save the NHS and the vulnerable) and this is where we have left our senses.

I don’t think it’s anything other than our collective madness, frustration and nihilism, there’s defo no genius at play in governments. Jung would say this global phenomenon is occurring in our collective unconscious…..our cultures have issues man

I'd be alright with zed looking after me in hospital. She sounds kind. I don't think it's necessary to share beliefs with the people in order to trust that they will do their job properly.

@ZednotZee

What do you mean by "oblivion"**@ZednotZee? Some kind of end of days scenario?

To be perfectly candid, yes.

I am also past caring how this opinion makes others view me.

As I said to DH on Saturday, I would never have had my DC had I been aware of current events and the obvious, to me at least, societal progression going forward.

I am so very envious of my former self and her naivete. I'm afraid the halcyon days are very much behind us.

I hope your husband is fully aware of your views and your sentiments regarding your DC.

@ZednotZee

So faith should be optional but secularism is evil? How does that work?

Free will, that was rather the point of the happenings within Genesis.

And it isn't that secularism is in and of itself evil, rather it is a precursor to the acceptance of evil.

Many secular people can recognise evil intent and goings on in the world. Not all of them join the dots and turn to Christ.

So you think that if people don't have beliefs (your specific beliefs in particular) they will eventually accept evil?

If you are praying for peoples deliverence, you are saying that you think they should believe in Jesus

I don't believe in Jesus. I wouldn't ever dream if praying that someone is delivered to my personal beliefs.

We are built to transcend ourselves for a higher purpose whether through religion or some other spiritual beliefs. We have an instinct for religion….not necessarily The Religions that exist, but something beyond just us.

Speak for yourself.

I'd be alright with zed looking after me in hospital. She sounds kind.

Telling people their hearts and minds belong to Satan because they don't share your beliefs doesn't sound kind to me.

She wouldn't tell people at work that.
Lots of people believe what I think are totally crazy things - but I wouldn't know this when going about my everyday life because they are unlikely to tell me. If I was in hospital, do long as zed was giving me appropriate medical treatment I wouldn't even be thinking about her beliefs.
Religious belief gives people comfort. It's not for me, but if it helps someone find sense and order in the world then I can see why they would turn to it at a time like this. It comes back to what a pp said about humans needing to find order and explanation. Having what someone else would think of as an extreme belief doesn't make them incompetent at their jobs

@ZednotZee
Glad your mother came round in the end to having the vaccine.
She was a refuser wasn't she? According to what you said on other threads.
Keep up love.

@MrsHuntGeneNotJeremyObviously

She wouldn't tell people at work that. Lots of people believe what I think are totally crazy things - but I wouldn't know this when going about my everyday life because they are unlikely to tell me. If I was in hospital, do long as zed was giving me appropriate medical treatment I wouldn't even be thinking about her beliefs. Religious belief gives people comfort. It's not for me, but if it helps someone find sense and order in the world then I can see why they would turn to it at a time like this. It comes back to what a pp said about humans needing to find order and explanation. Having what someone else would think of as an extreme belief doesn't make them incompetent at their jobs

How do you know she wouldn't?

Well, I suppose because she still has a job. People love to complain, so I'm guessing if she'd said this stuff then a patient would have objected by now.
I think she said she didn't discuss her beliefs at work. On MN you have to take that on trust.
If you don't believe this stuff isn't it water off a ducks back?

I think that what feels weird is fuelled by blatant inconsistency with no scientific rationale with regard to response and also by the ripping up of previous 'economic certainties' like the absence of a magic money tree and also by the huge growth in inequality where the already rich have hugely increased wealth and control.

So it is not irrational to put them all together and conclude the the bad management has been awful for some people but hugely advantageous for others.

Or to conclude that good management with restrictions on borders, track, trace and quarantine, effective anti-viral treatment, emphasis on the health of the nation and addressing issues like obesity may have been useful in terms of reducing disease and death but what really matters is profit not people.

So the property boom and the boom in the stock market is disconcerting. Almost like they were caused by bad management. Almost like some people have a vested interest in prolonging the pandemic because it is so profitable and politically useful with acceptable collateral damage.

So it is not beyond the realms that mass vaccination during high rates of infection will produce vaccine resistant strains. Used to be dismissed as conspiracy despite recognised science but now accepted as mainstream.

But now the argument of just getting on with it has been stripped of morality, is this bad if it increases profitability whilst only killing the economically useless?

If you still have morals I think you will be deeply disconcerted.

Look, I'm a professional so of course I would no more discuss my religious beliefs with my patients than the size of my husbands dick.

But MN is an anonymous forum so its fair game here isn't it? And I have discussed both, amongst other things which I don't think my patients would appreciate knowing about.

As I stated back in December my mum was initially going to refuse the Pfizer vaccine. Of course she had to have a rethink when the issues with AZ and their specific relation to her condition became apparent.
Back in December AZ was largely touted as the safest vaccine in all probability as it was based upon a well tolerated and utilised formula.
I'm glad she has decided to accept the Pfizer too, I'm with her now and she appears to have so far tolerated it very well. Of course I am now worrying that her lack of side effects points towards an inadequate immune response but there's always something to worry about, isn't there?