Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

Agree with the comment re. "wide-eyed faux naive" posts.

You're being ridiculous, OP. It's a pandemic, doing what respiratory pandemics do. There is hardly anybody left alive who has lived through something of this nature and magnitude. Of course it's not "normal" on any personal scale.

The whining about "all this for a disease with 99.9% survival rates" and the like is infuriating. What's 0.1% of an entire (adult) population? It's a massive number. More to the point - I did some back-of-an-envelope calculations back at the beginning of the winter wave regarding potential hospitalizations based on current rates. Our city hospitals would have been filled several times over if nothing had been done. Only lockdown and people taking personal precautions put the brakes on.

Want to know what an out-of-control respiratory pandemic looks like? Have you completely forgotten Italy last spring? Or how about India just a few months ago? You want to be driving desperately from hospital to hospital, begging for a bed for your sick relative? Queuing to fill the family oxygen tank?

If you feel "dissenting" voices are being "shut down", then maybe it's because the inane warblings of you and your ilk are fuel to the fire for the selfish idiots who won't countenance even the most minor personal inconvenience or risk in order to tackle this (masks, vaccinations). I don't doubt that there are parties using aspects of this to their own ends, but 'twas ever thus. This is no "plandemic".

And don't even get me started on the biblical fairytale rubbish.

Genuinely, I'm now at the point where I can't work out whether a significant proportion of the population is mentally unwell, or just fucking dense.

Oh god, this is like Brexit all over again. Remember how remainers all said northern Ireland would be fucked and it would be Windrush 2, and all the Brexiteers were like "Why are you calling us stupid?" Well, now there are several strains of a dangerous new respiratory virus circulating round the world, and you can protect yourself by taking one of a number of safe, effective, well tested vaccines, and others when necessary by keeping your distance and wearing a mask. And that's really all there is to it. And if you think I'm calling you stupid for not doing that, actually, this time I totally am.

To add - the vast majority of adults in the UK (and in the west generally, tbh) have lived their lives with very little need to respond to society's wider needs to any meaningful way. Up until now, we've all pretty much done exactly what we wanted (take a look at the rest of the world if you doubt me). Being asked to put our own wants (and it has largely been "wants", rather than "needs" - nobody "needs" a week in Spain fgs) in on the backburner for a bit is shocking to many. Of course, none of this has been helped by successive governments that have encouraged individualism and "survival of the fittest". That's all great when a capitalist society is ticking along nicely, and clearly what most of us prefer. But it's not a collective attitude that is conducive to managing a pandemic.

@Lillilalique

Agree with the comment re. "wide-eyed faux naive" posts.

You're being ridiculous, OP. It's a pandemic, doing what respiratory pandemics do. There is hardly anybody left alive who has lived through something of this nature and magnitude. Of course it's not "normal" on any personal scale.

The whining about "all this for a disease with 99.9% survival rates" and the like is infuriating. What's 0.1% of an entire (adult) population? It's a massive number. More to the point - I did some back-of-an-envelope calculations back at the beginning of the winter wave regarding potential hospitalizations based on current rates. Our city hospitals would have been filled several times over if nothing had been done. Only lockdown and people taking personal precautions put the brakes on.

Want to know what an out-of-control respiratory pandemic looks like? Have you completely forgotten Italy last spring? Or how about India just a few months ago? You want to be driving desperately from hospital to hospital, begging for a bed for your sick relative? Queuing to fill the family oxygen tank?

If you feel "dissenting" voices are being "shut down", then maybe it's because the inane warblings of you and your ilk are fuel to the fire for the selfish idiots who won't countenance even the most minor personal inconvenience or risk in order to tackle this (masks, vaccinations). I don't doubt that there are parties using aspects of this to their own ends, but 'twas ever thus. This is no "plandemic".

And don't even get me started on the biblical fairytale rubbish.

Genuinely, I'm now at the point where I can't work out whether a significant proportion of the population is mentally unwell, or just fucking dense.

100%

So many idiots around lacking thinking skills, so their dumb answer is conspiracy.

As for the "depopulation" agenda - seems odd to take out all the healthcare professionals and scientists (who will overwhelmingly be vaccinated) in favour of people whose skillset seems to consist entirely of watching YouTube videos and whining on Facebook. No??

[quote seashells11]@Mummyford because it seems like all the government's of the world are being controlled.[/quote]
So all the governments of the world are being controlled, by whom? Aliens 👽maybe. Why are different government taking different actions then, some harsh lock down others loose, some shutting borders Ndw Zealand) others open.

How about you look at history of pandemics and see how many people die and compare with the much lower numbers of death since action to stay lives has been taken.

Save not stay

@seashells11

Concerned that Facebook removed something? Why would they remove it though.

Cause it was a pile of rubbish?

@Lillilalique

As for the "depopulation" agenda - seems odd to take out all the healthcare professionals and scientists (who will overwhelmingly be vaccinated) in favour of people whose skillset seems to consist entirely of watching YouTube videos and whining on Facebook. No??

Indeed, the cult members should be rounded up and educated. Some of the fb memes show just how dumb

Getting people vaccinated doesn't offer any benefits to the government

@Echobelly what? Of course it offers benefits to the government. If the vast majority of people are double vaccinated then we can begin to open up the economy again safely, which is absolutely critical to the government.

And, again - cases in vaccinated people. The vaccines were designed to reduce the burden of symptomatic disease (not to stop us wearing masks, not to eliminate transmission entirely - in an emergency situation, what is your priority?), and they appear to be doing just that. For now.

As the vaccinated population increases, the fraction of vaccinated cases increases. Take a population of 100. 90 are fully-vaccinated, but there is only one breakthrough case needing hospital admission. 10 are unvaccinated/partially vaccinated, and there is one case needing hospital admission. Headline: "50% of hospital admissions are fully-vaccinated!!" Can you spot the difference between the vaccinated and unvaccinated fractions?

This is elementary-level stuff.

I'm very fickle with this. I keep changing my mind. Because instinctively something feels odd. But, I've never been into conspiracy theories; and in fact run a mile from most of them. So, it doesn't 'fit' the rest of me to be questioning the mainstream narrative here.
The fact that any dissenting opinion is being censored though, is alarming to me. We have to allow open discussion in a democracy.
I certainly take Covid seriously, and have followed all the rules, but the world has taken on a surreal quality that I can't quite put my finger on...

Dissenting opinions are nt being censored because they are dissenting though.

They are being censored because, they aren't based in facts. They are often full of our and our lies.

Like March/April last year when a fairly vocal group were blaming 5g masts. I know someone who was actively looking for them to report back to his group so they could go pull them down. No one listen to him, not because his opinion was dissenting. Its because he was full of crap.

His next theory was based on new variants appearing so now thinks he was proved right. As though virus's don't usually develop variants

@bowchickawowwoww

Something big is coming. It's just the start

Winter. Winter is coming.

Preceded by autumn first of course, but then winter. Hopefully spring after that, and then back to summer which is always a nice change.

🙄

@Bigtruth

My word, what a shame that the education system in this Country has left us so utterly confused when something a bit unusual happens.

Conspiracy theories rely upon ignorance and an inability to properly research topics, with all the ignorance to Covid (with it being a novel virus this is inevitable) it's been very easy to hoodwink people.

There may well be more to this virus than we currently know, it could legitimately come from a lab for example, but please learn how to do proper academic research and use trusted sources before spouting on forums how something "feels off" or you're part of the problem.

I totally agree with this. Lack of education and social media nibbling away at our perceptions of the world.

Last night a conspiracy popped up on one of channels that Australia is about to become a communist state. The reason was bizarre.

We should feel uncomfortable the world is changing with natural disasters and Covid, which is being grossly under reported as I think the death rate much higher than it is.

Most of us are having the novel experience of world news 24 hours a day we are having to process and deal with more trauma through the news.

I think we have had years of complacency where the majority of the world is having a tough time.

We all need to be more resilient and check the news sources

@PopcornMuncher

and the government is responding as best they can

Thats the best laugh I've had this week

YANBU OP. Of course you'll be shut down for asking the question. I agree there is a pandemic and I believe in covid I just think the decision to ramp up fear in the population and use manipulation to change people's behaviour as championed by the dreadful Susan Michie is sinister. Normally the population would be aghast at a Communist suggesting greater state control. I'm actually scared shitless of that horrible woman.

Whitty and vallance can do.one.with their exaggerated figures as well.

No doubt I'll be a conspiracy theorist for having these views tho

@PopcornMuncher Why do Michie et al want to ramp up fear? What behaviours do they want to change and why?

BTW Boris' U Turn of the Day (dumping the amber watch list proposal) doesn't smack of control or fear inducement to me. It smacks of a PM who is trying to appease his chancellor and the CRG. So much for wanting to stop us plebs flying abroad...

I certainly take Covid seriously, and have followed all the rules, but the world has taken on a surreal quality that I can't quite put my finger on...

Might that be because none of us have ever experienced a pandemic on this scale? It is bound to feel surreal.

@therearenogoodusernamesleft
I’m not saying my university advisor gave me a VERY terrifyingly dirty look (and matching marks) if I didn’t provide extensive sources but… she did. Sadly, here, the sources did nothing because as soon as we “debunk” the 99% survival claim, the airplanes and/or cars causing most climate change claim (so COVID had a huge climate impact, they say, and may have been “planned” that way), and the various other reasons people seem to believe “the 1%” want to kill us so that we’ll stop giving them our money, posters quickly moved on to blaming a shadowy New World Order and Satan. Right, then. I can provide sources to debunk claimed facts. Sadly, I can’t “debunk” a zealot with possible psychoses. Only cult deprogramming can.

Also, much love as well. I’m all for anyone who takes the opportunity to say, “With respect, go fuck yourself.” It’s up there with: “With warmest regards, get fucked,” and of course, “If it’s all the same, could you kindly fuck off?” Truly sorry to hear about your losses.

@WanderingFruitWonderer Yes, that’s how I feel, also very changeable with it all.

@bowchickawowwoww Like what?

Covid 19 is a bioweapon deployed by aliens as a prelude to invasion. Where’s my tin foil hat?

@Ciaobaby92

I feel like that too, OP. And it's perfectly OK for us to talk about it, if we feel that way. It's not that I think there's a conspiracy exactly, but I have felt for a long time now that things feel very off. I am also an empath and more sensitive in general.

I've received both jabs, and have no problem wearing a mask and social distancing. I am worried to hear that 60% of new cases where I live are vaccinated people.

I think there is a lot we don't know yet about Covid. I don't even think the doctors and scientists understand it all yet. We are supposed to return to work here shortly, after WFH for over a year, and right now I don't see it happening. I am in no hurry to go back, if people are still getting sick.

Are those people seriously ill in hospital though, i thought the aim of the vaccine was primarily to stop people who catch covid becoming seriously ill and dying? Anecdotally my son currently has covid, and myself and my dh both fully vaccinated are both testing negative so far!