Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

Well that, er, went...

Well it went.

The thing is there isn’t anything anyone can do about all this anyway, if it’s true. There are enough people who will follow the agenda to render those who don’t irrelevant. Whatever is goi g to happen is going to happen.

I understand the psychological denial of it but at this point in proceedings I urge you to wake the fuck up

Being told to wake up is really irritating. Even if you’re right, what do you expect people to do apart from wake up? We have a choice of getting vaccinated and reducing the effects of covid, or waiting to get covid without being vaccinated. I have a good friend deeply into the whole conspiracy theory thing around covid. She’s anti the vaccine and anti lockdowns, so I’m guessing she’s all for letting it rip through an unvaccinated population, which seems to be the worst option of the lot and will definitely result in depopulation, whereas having the vaccines won’t so much. The conspiracy theories don’t make a lot of sense.

And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,

Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

Christmas this year should be interesting.

Something big is coming. It's just the start

Not another anti vax thread in disguise?!

Surely Satan sends his minions to do the shopping?

Night all. Hopefully we won,'t wake up and find the world has ended.

Back to the depopulation theory…no one has told our government as there has been tremendous house and flat building going on for the last several years, with no signs of slowing down and we keep being told of the housing crisis. What are all these houses for if they’re planning to do away with a large chunk of the population?

If they wanted to depopulate, why bother with lockdowns and PPE and extra ICU capacity? Why not just let it happen then?

I assume to frighten everyone into having the vaccine.

A load of people dying like they did in India and northern Italy would frighten people into having the vaccine, no?

I feel like that too, OP. And it's perfectly OK for us to talk about it, if we feel that way. It's not that I think there's a conspiracy exactly, but I have felt for a long time now that things feel very off. I am also an empath and more sensitive in general.

I've received both jabs, and have no problem wearing a mask and social distancing. I am worried to hear that 60% of new cases where I live are vaccinated people.

I think there is a lot we don't know yet about Covid. I don't even think the doctors and scientists understand it all yet. We are supposed to return to work here shortly, after WFH for over a year, and right now I don't see it happening. I am in no hurry to go back, if people are still getting sick.

I am worried to hear that 60% of new cases where I live are vaccinated people.

Do you have a link?

There is always something bigger at play. Stuff doesn’t just happen by chance. And it’s not just about this pandemic but all big events in history. Only the naive think struggle to think beyond the obvious. But of course they also take pleasure in calling anyone with a different view a conspiracy theorist or other names. It’s not about believing in aliens, it’s just about knowing that there is always something bigger at play.

@EmmaOvary

This thread is MENTAL but I am thoroughly enjoying it. Anyone else?

I would enjoy it more if I didn't realise quite how harmful it would be being read by vulnerable and ill people. It needs to go. This sort of insanity should not be allowed to remain on here.

@DameSlapsSlap

Of course there is something bigger going on, I just don't know what yet.

All this madness for a virus that has something like a 99% survival rate, hmmm not suspicious at all.

That highly questionable figure pre-supposes everyone in the population gets Covid.

@gwenneh

I am worried to hear that 60% of new cases where I live are vaccinated people.

Do you have a link?

I have a link that disproves it, if that helps? Some fucking idiot misspoke (as of we need more problems) and said 60% of those hospitalized had been double jabbed. In fact, 60% of those in hospital hadn’t been vaccinated at all. So the remaining 40% may either have received one vaccine, or still been in the period before it works, or possibly been double jabbed, or who knows what. We have no idea what the percentage of double-jabbed people in hospital is. Ta, Sir Patrick Vallance, for the extra confusion. www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/30/facebook-posts/uk-health-official-misspoke-when-he-said-60-hospit/

That’s all I could find, too. Nothing that supports the idea that 60% of new cases are vaccinated.

All of the research I’ve found supports the opposite, that the vaccines are performing as expected with regard to the number of breakthroughs.

The idea that our government is competent enough to be involved in any kind of conspiracy...

@FTEngineerM

It’s definitely a topic that evokes a lot of deep thought.

Two things that have caught my attention just this week:

1. network rail did investigation on high contact areas of their trains/network. Not one covid-19 virus found.. anywhere. None. People are washing their mail, wearing gloves in public areas, being too petrified to touch anything outside their home. There’s nothing there.

2. our large nursery with 63 tiny humans running around dribbling on each other, going home and spending time with (probably, assuming no siblings) 63 families then going back in and sharing all that the next day with each other and the staff (no makes or social distancing). They have had two, yes TWO cases of covid. In 7.5 months.

Now epidemiology/virology isn’t anywhere near my expertise or interest so when they all screamed ‘be scared’ ‘be afraid’ ‘this virus is hugely contagious’ I just listened and accepted. There are things happening every week that make me think.. ‘hang on ’

1. scientists learned that it doesn't linger on surfaces like they first thought, so this is no great surprise
2. I lost my grandad and aunt to it, so with respect, fuck you.

@RightYesButNo

I just don’t know what to say to so much of this. The only thing that would worry me is threads like this. I’ll start with the small stuff.

something like a 99% survival rate
Where DID you get this? Do you know what the mortality rate was in the UK in April 2020, before we started anything to try to put the brakes on? 15%. (See photo 1). So that means without vaccines or lockdowns or masks or social distancing, we’re talking an 85% survival rate. And that was before the Delta variant. So, no, didn’t seem too severe to me for something that could kill 15% of the country. And not just kill them but…

some article a while back speculating that up to 10% of covid sufferers had longer term issues
This poster is correct. Study came out in April 2021 and 1 in 10 people are experiencing symptoms up to eight months later, following mild COVID.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210407174321.htm
A study found those who had more severe cases of COVID are st higher risk for heart disease, anxiety, depression, substance abuse, kidney disease, diabetes, and more. This is in addition to the mental fog and fatigue already known.
www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/22/989874986/people-with-severe-covid-19-have-higher-risk-of-long-term-effects-study-finds?t=1627938803833
OP states she is a long COVID sufferer herself (you might not realize it, OP, but there could be a connection between your feelings and the COVID itself).

But the thread keeps going downhill. Sigh.
I think people will fly less, the costs will go up and up and all the faff of testing etc will put people off. Planes are a huge contributor to climate change ( obs) and covid is a great excuse to bring in changes ( maybe over time)
Again, it's just my own opinion.
Right, yes… but no, because planes AREN’T a huge contributor to climate change (see picture 2). They contribute about as much as… rice cultivation. Seriously. Only half as much as bloody cement. So that’s a completely ridiculous theory. Now, had you said it affects climate change because it shut down the factories and industrial energy that account for the largest percentage of greenhouse gases contributing to climate change (again, see photo 2) AND that the largest part of that came from China, you might have had a great conspiracy theory going. Unfortunately, it would still be shite because while China’s pollution levels lowered dramatically in Jan-Feb 2020, they had already ramped back up by April 2020, so not much of a “stop” in closing factories or getting cars off the road in countries MUCH bigger and more “guilty” of pollution than the UK.

Just message after message of people saying things that will ramp up anxiety with not the tiniest bit of proof at all, except I guess a Facebook meme?

The best on this thread was:
I'm really glad that nobody had Facebook when they first introduced the polio vaccine...
Very good point.

I actually love you.

@foxandbee

I really despise posters like the OP who join MN or name change in order to post a wide-eyed faux naive question which they think the rest of us are too thick to realise is a classic anti-vaxxer/conspiracy theorist tactic.

Feck off.

This. With bells on.

I said it more than once a few pages back that I have empathy for those who do feel weird about this but it’s because you have never experienced or been part of something like a disaster or pandemic on this scale before. And it’s not like it’s the first time in history this has happened is it? It’s just that this time we have enough modern technology and science to be able to develop vaccines and preventative measures. It is weird because it is unusual. And you should buckle down and ride it out

and the government is responding as best they can

Thats the best laugh I've had this week

YANBU OP. Of course you'll be shut down for asking the question. I agree there is a pandemic and I believe in covid I just think the decision to ramp up fear in the population and use manipulation to change people's behaviour as championed by the dreadful Susan Michie is sinister. Normally the population would be aghast at a Communist suggesting greater state control. I'm actually scared shitless of that horrible woman.

Whitty and vallance can do.one.with their exaggerated figures as well.

No doubt I'll be a conspiracy theorist for having these views tho

@ DameSlapsSlap

"Of course there is something bigger going on, I just don't know what yet.

All this madness for a virus that has something like a 99% survival rate, hmmm not suspicious at all."

If there are 6billion people and it rages unchecked through 6 billion people with a 1% kill rate that is 60million dead.