Can’t shake the feeling that something is weird/wrong?

[Hueylewisandtheviews]

Since the pandemic started really..it’s all seemed strange, some points I’ve convinced myself things are normal, but it’s there deep down bugging me. I just find it all so odd, the pushing of vaccines on young people for incentives, no real discussion being allowed apart from what is presented to us. Is this normal?! Or is it me that’s not 🤷🏻‍♀️Does anyone else feel like this?

Who are the experts?

Be sure if you think it’s the govt or their advisors, they aren’t experts.

@SmileyClare

Look, I'm going to take your post as it was intended, kindly.

I don't think I'm the only one who holds such views; I'm sure that I'm not in fact having discussed this at length with others of both concurring and not so concurring viewpoints.

I consider opposing opinions on a daily basis. I enjoy discussing current affairs with others and I am in no way suffering from psychotic delusions.

But you know what? I am understanding that it is difficult to glean this from an opinion posted on a forum and I thank you for your concern because it came from a good place. And we need more of that in this world.

I seriously don't understand how some of the posters on this thread manage to make it through the day.

@FullMoonInsomnia

Be sure if you think it’s the govt or their advisors, they aren’t experts.

Nope. They're the people who SHOULD be following the experts -- the scientists and researchers who are working to understand and combat the virus itself. The government and their advisors should have, ideally, had at least a rudimentary understanding of the scientific process and why guidance can change from minute to minute. It's clear neither of these things are the case.

@ZednotZee

Broadly I think there will be a loss of civil liberties, of personal autonomy. I believe there is a depopulation agenda.

I believe that the overarching contemporary conspiracy theory is that the governments of this world are in any way invested in protecting any of us on an individual or even a population level.

I believe that we are no more than collateral damage.

I believe that the greatest trick satan ever pulled was the secular agenda and convincing the populace that he doesn't exist.

I believe that the world, as it stands resolutely belongs to him.

However I understand that my beliefs at this time mark me out as a fringe theory conspracist/religious nutjob.

I very much hope that in time it transpires that I am one.

I understand that it is terrifying to even consider that my beliefs can be founded in anything appropriating reality.

However 'believing in science' is nothing more than a false idol.
Science is not a deity, nor is it a belief system.
I have been acquainting myself with the bible, in particular the book of revelation.

And I am terrified and resigned to the future in equal measure.

Call me fucking crazy, I wish more than anything else that I could concur.

All righty then.

I totally get that most people survive covid. Some display mild symptoms and some none at all.
Having said that, it can kill people. A colleague at work was off for months, due to his wife .His wife has long covid. She can hardly stand up and lift things. She lost the ability to even speak and function at one point. She needed 24 hour care. She was rushed from Sussex to St Thomas hospital and put on a ventilator. She could have died.
Remember Boris was also on a ventilator in intensive care himself.
Covids real, we’re being encouraged into having the vaccine to control the spread.
I honestly don’t think that our leaders want to kill all its citizens, by poisoning us with vaccines.

@ZednotZee

I really think you need to actually study the origins of lucifier and Satan.

Well if you know better please feel free to enlighten me.

Otherwise its purely academic.

Odd choice of phrase. Since it's actually academia you need.

I am not going to type up the full origins of the story and the difference between Satan, lucifer and the devil. Even if I did, you would see it as irrelevant.

Which version of the Bible are studying? You can't say, you don't follow a religion if you are following a Bible. There are different versions for different denominations.

King James? Compiled entirely for political purposes.

If you can't face looking into the actual history of a book you are basing your whole outlook on, you aren't really understanding it all. Politics, societal expectations, power etc all influence religious books.

I have my beliefs, not sure it's what more people call religious. Maybe spiritual is the term. Understanding the origin and the context of how something is written is part of understanding the text.

I don't understand how someone can become so enmeshed with a book but not want to understand how it came to being.

Odd choice of phrase. Since it's actually academia you need.

Whilst the two are not mutually exclusive I do believe academia in its purest sense to be a false idol.

There are things which, if you have faith are beyond our knowledge and oddly I was availed of this fact as an eighteen year old and never fully appreciated it. Because I was entrenched in academia. So of course, I knew better.

My bible is Oxford University press from 1901.

King James is a COE Bible and whilst I have my issues with the papacy and they are legion, I believe that the book is unencumbered in this respect.

My bible is Oxford University press from 1901.

Good lord, biblical scholarship and translation nuances have come a long way since then.

@EmergencyHydrangea

This is not necessarily the good thing you apparently believe it to be.

Every generation takes us further from the source of the divine.

Hence the papacy.

Hence the proliferation of evil.

@seashells11

With the sheer volume of people and companies involved in Covid, if 'something' was amiss, don't you think someone would've spoken out? This is an international issue, not specific to the U.K.

But lots of people are speaking out.

But have you heard what they are saying?

There is no higher power who is plotting or who can save us. I will still thank my lucky stars I live in the U.K., I do not think we understand what it is like to live in any country that suffers real true terrible hardships and atrocities year on year. Not being able to Hug people and wearing a mask isn’t dying of something you caught from the water you drank or your local hospital being a shack with no proper lighting or hygiene. It’s not having to work for pennies and being scared someone will come and murder you for your land and crops. I really worry about people’s states of minds but also recognise that this is what happens when your relatively safe bubble is turned upside down for a period of time. Things will return to much more ‘normal’ soon I think people should try to focus on the good things they do have in their life and the privileges they enjoy. Yes it’s stretched and strained, yes things have changed and are odd. It is that way for any community who has been through a difficult time you just have to focus on the rebuild not looking for villains

I just don’t know what to say to so much of this. The only thing that would worry me is threads like this. I’ll start with the small stuff.

something like a 99% survival rate
Where DID you get this? Do you know what the mortality rate was in the UK in April 2020, before we started anything to try to put the brakes on? 15%. (See photo 1). So that means without vaccines or lockdowns or masks or social distancing, we’re talking an 85% survival rate. And that was before the Delta variant. So, no, didn’t seem too severe to me for something that could kill 15% of the country. And not just kill them but…

some article a while back speculating that up to 10% of covid sufferers had longer term issues
This poster is correct. Study came out in April 2021 and 1 in 10 people are experiencing symptoms up to eight months later, following mild COVID.
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2021/04/210407174321.htm
A study found those who had more severe cases of COVID are st higher risk for heart disease, anxiety, depression, substance abuse, kidney disease, diabetes, and more. This is in addition to the mental fog and fatigue already known.
www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/04/22/989874986/people-with-severe-covid-19-have-higher-risk-of-long-term-effects-study-finds?t=1627938803833
OP states she is a long COVID sufferer herself (you might not realize it, OP, but there could be a connection between your feelings and the COVID itself).

But the thread keeps going downhill. Sigh.
I think people will fly less, the costs will go up and up and all the faff of testing etc will put people off. Planes are a huge contributor to climate change ( obs) and covid is a great excuse to bring in changes ( maybe over time)
Again, it's just my own opinion.
Right, yes… but no, because planes AREN’T a huge contributor to climate change (see picture 2). They contribute about as much as… rice cultivation. Seriously. Only half as much as bloody cement. So that’s a completely ridiculous theory. Now, had you said it affects climate change because it shut down the factories and industrial energy that account for the largest percentage of greenhouse gases contributing to climate change (again, see photo 2) AND that the largest part of that came from China, you might have had a great conspiracy theory going. Unfortunately, it would still be shite because while China’s pollution levels lowered dramatically in Jan-Feb 2020, they had already ramped back up by April 2020, so not much of a “stop” in closing factories or getting cars off the road in countries MUCH bigger and more “guilty” of pollution than the UK.

Just message after message of people saying things that will ramp up anxiety with not the tiniest bit of proof at all, except I guess a Facebook meme?

The best on this thread was:
I'm really glad that nobody had Facebook when they first introduced the polio vaccine...
Very good point.

@ZednotZee

Odd choice of phrase. Since it's actually academia you need.

Whilst the two are not mutually exclusive I do believe academia in its purest sense to be a false idol.

There are things which, if you have faith are beyond our knowledge and oddly I was availed of this fact as an eighteen year old and never fully appreciated it. Because I was entrenched in academia. So of course, I knew better.

My bible is Oxford University press from 1901.

King James is a COE Bible and whilst I have my issues with the papacy and they are legion, I believe that the book is unencumbered in this respect.

Who was your bible written and edit by?

Not who printed it. Who decided what went in and what didn't?

Who was your bible written and edit by?

Not who printed it. Who decided what went in and what didn't?

Not Boris Johnson.
Not Chris Whitty.
Not Matt Hancock.
Not Sajid Javier.
Not Rupert Mugrdoch

Who wrote your belief system?

Mine appears to precede the editing of idols so I'll let you go first if thats OK with you.

[quote Hueylewisandtheviews]@ZednotZee I’m still not really following[/quote]
I think it's best if you don't tbf. Especially if you're already anxious. Someone is either in need of professional help or on a cheap wind up feeding on other people's insecurities, like, for example, crackpot religious cults do.

@Hueylewisandtheviews

See I also find it frustrating when I and others feel the same and question our feeling and others pipe up about Bill gates and chips when I’m not saying anything of the sort or when people answer nastily

Didn’t you realise on mumsnet you are either 100% on board and believe every word on the BBC or you are an anti vaxxer who believes Bill gates is trying to chip everyone apparently there is no in between 😂

Well, there is a theory that this is all just a computer simulation (the world and our existence), and that it's been glitching. Explains Brexit, Trump and now a global pandemic...I am not a tinfoil hatter and don't actually believe that but honestly, I find it quite comforting to imagine that all this is just the latest whim of a 13 year old girl playing a video game in her bedroom in the year 2361 or something 🤣

Apologies; Sajid Javid

Well, there is a theory that this is all just a computer simulation (the world and our existence), and that it's been glitching. Explains Brexit, Trump and now a global pandemic...I am not a tinfoil hatter and don't actually believe that but honestly, I find it quite comforting to imagine that all this is just the latest whim of a 13 year old girl playing a video game in her bedroom in the year 2361 or something 🤣

Quantum theory kind of presupposes the input of an observer. Benign or not, its a jolt to the ego

When you talk about one world government this doesn’t take into account countries like Austrian and New Zealand who literally closed their entire country borders for months and months refusing to let anyone travel there. Tourism is a huge part of many countries economies, long term they can’t afford to lose it but they also want to protect their population… to stop them from dying. How could they be joining forces AND closing their borders?