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AIBU - Is Alcoholics Anon pushing religion

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BabieDriver · 25/07/2021 23:59

I have a hunch that a friend is "stuck" in 12 step programmes. He attends Alcoholics Anon and 2 other step groups. He has a lot of serious mental conditions and is starting NHS psychotherapy this month which is good news. He is very low and seems to get progressively worse doing lots of homework as part of the step work. It busies him up, keeps him thinking about his problems imo, and he hardly goes out and he's low most of the time. I've known him 3 years, but he's been in these programmes for over 10 years.

I never researched it before but I see that the wording of the 12 step for AA are mainly about God and that other 12 step orgs use roughly the same wording. I'm not against God, I believe in a God, but I don't follow any religion. I was brought up in a church religion and I strongly believe that support for vulnerable people and people with mental health issues should be secular - my church wanted to spread the word, it preached a lot of fear and I feel there is a similar angle in these steps and they are harmful and guilt-inducing, mentioning defects, atonement and giving up power.

Link: AA 12 Steps

My church liked people to stay for life. I hear that some people can stay in the step programmes all their lives too - vulnerable people. Yes, it does say that you don't have to believe, but if that's the case, why not re-write the steps and make it secular? Is it because religions are too powerful? I can't help but wonder how he would have fared in secular programmes that might not have an interest in keeping him long term? AIBU?

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BabieDriver · 26/07/2021 22:24

@Nat6999

Smart recovery looks at the reasons why people drink, offers CBT to help them look at their mental health & often why they drink, teaches ways to cope with cravings & helps them abstain from drinking. It does work & has a good track record for both drink & drug addiction.
Thank you that's really helpful.
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BabieDriver · 26/07/2021 22:25

@Love2cycle

If you visit the shop section of the AA GB website, there is a leaflet available called 'The God Word' which addresses the issues OP is concerned about. There are other leaflets which address concerns about medication, mental health and dual addictions if people want to find out more. Hope that helps.
That does help - thank you.
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BabieDriver · 26/07/2021 22:41

@Love2cycle

The steps were written in the 1930's where it was very common for family's to go to church and have a faith in God. At the time, adding the words 'as you understand him' to the steps was fairly revolutionary against such a relegious back drop. They did this because they wanted to open AA up to atheists and other religions. Like most people in AA, I'm very protective of the original 12 steps as they literally saved my life. Any change in the original 12 steps would involve consulting every single AA member in the world. AA is actually run by its members, there is no one in charge who would be able to make a decision as big as changing the steps. The 12 steps belong to the worldwide fellowship of AA, but we've given permission to other 12 steps to make use of them (again at the consultation of all members).
That's a good explanation about why they wouldn't be changed - thanks.
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BabieDriver · 26/07/2021 22:58

Thank you for this thread. I didn't know what to expect. It's really calming and helpful to hear such gracious success stories. And it's been interesting to hear other sides of this too. Great answers and they have really helped. This was troubling me for a long time because of reasons that I explained in the OP. I can't reply to all your individual stories of how you overcame these struggles but I congratulate all of you and thank you for sharing them. Smile

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HaveringWavering · 27/07/2021 13:59

@Love2cycle , a question. There was a poster earlier in this thread who kicked off at OP about copying and pasting the 12 Steps here, suggesting they were somehow ultra- secret and should not be shared outside AA. Was there any basis in that? Are members asked not to talk about them?

(I know of course that confidentiality about individuals is a fundamental tenet of AA. )

Love2cycle · 27/07/2021 15:24

[quote HaveringWavering]@Love2cycle , a question. There was a poster earlier in this thread who kicked off at OP about copying and pasting the 12 Steps here, suggesting they were somehow ultra- secret and should not be shared outside AA. Was there any basis in that? Are members asked not to talk about them?

(I know of course that confidentiality about individuals is a fundamental tenet of AA. )[/quote]
Obviously I'm not speaking on behalf of AA, just as a member. Personally, I don't have an issue with it, they are easily found on a Google search. They are definitely not a secret.

HaveringWavering · 27/07/2021 19:00

Thanks.

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 20:48

Just saw this in the news kind of related.

Just out of interest sounds like s great org.

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 20:48

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-57975385

ArabellaStrange · 27/07/2021 22:20

@NiceGerbil thanks for sharing that, found interesting and love things that revolve around being by women to support other women.

NiceGerbil · 27/07/2021 22:31

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