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AIBU to think son could have spent £7.50 on me?

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Whyamivirtuallyinvisible · 22/07/2021 07:35

My son has just started work, admittedly it isn't the greatest wage, however he's been very lucky to get a job as an apprentice p,umber on 15K. He gets picked up every day so won't need fuel for his car at all during the working week. Incidentallly we bought the car, insured it for him for the first year and husband also gave him half towards his first big repair bill which cost us £200.

Times have been extremely tough financially the last few years, made worse by Covid, like many people. Our DD dances to a very high standard and it goes without saying that this costs an awful lot of money, but we manage somehow like no fancy expenditures and no holidays for the last five years. I've recently had an ankle op so I've also lost money from work.

About two months ago my son had desperately needed new clothes. Smart for interviews and some casual which had cost around £180/200 which we had paid for. He has had part time jobs but nothing since January due to Covid and then studying for A Levels

Last Saturday I'd gone into town with him, my first venture on crutches and he was going to buy himself a few things to wear with his first salary. He'd probably spent around £70 on himself before we decided to head for lunch and a rest as I was shattered. Without thinking I said I'd buy lunch. Force of habit really as not used to him working. However when we had almost arrived at the food place he remembered they only took cash. I waited outside for him as he needed to walk further up the road to withdraw cash. I gave him my card and PIN number and even as he walked away I honestly thought he'd come back and say he was treating me out of his first wage packet.

We ordered food and sat down and he told me he'd taken £20 out of my account. I think mine was £7.50 as I'd ordered small but his was more, possibly £9/10. He put the change on the table and then in his pocket as I had no bag or pockets. He kept the change but I am sure he'd just forgotten about it and I wasn't going to ask for £2 back.

Being honest I felt really hurt and ashamed to admit I shed a tear (pathetic I know) as it made me feel kind of crap. I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault. I've tried to make it up to him in other ways and the year before I'd bought him an off-road bike £1000 and £500 worth of clothing, boots, helmet etc. It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account. Even if he'd said 'Do you mind if we have a packet of sandwiches each, I'll treat you' that would have felt better.

AIBU to think this was a bit mean after 18 years of trying to always give him what we could afford or was it my fault for inadvertently saying I'd pay.

OP posts:
YanTanTethera123 · 22/07/2021 09:58

@godmum56

"It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account."

and in the distance a tiny violin played......

Completely baffled now 😳
TonkinLenkicks · 22/07/2021 09:58

YABU

are you an adult? Can you not just, I dunno, talk to him about it Hmm

VickyEadieofThigh · 22/07/2021 09:58

@Jaguar77

This passive aggressive nonsense drives me crazy how is someone supposed to read your mind? You said you wanted something but you meant nothing of the sort.

Ask for what you want ..

Use your words.

It's that simple.

This. My parents used to moan to me that one or other of my brothers wasn't doing X (sometimes it was paying for stuff, sometimes it was providing transport for them to somewhere so that DF wouldn't have to drive, etc). I used to say "Have you told/asked them?"

My mother always replied "Well, we drop hints." My reply was always "Hints are useless. If you want them to do something, tell/ask them." Honestly, it drove me mad.

pastafeend · 22/07/2021 09:59

This is so weird. You said you would pay.

I just don't get it at all. Literally you told him you would pay and have posted an elaborate thread on the situation and how it made you feel and you even shed a tear.

But you told him you would pay.

I'm autistic so possibly reading this incorrectly but to me it seems like a pity party in your own head that you didn't invite anyone to, but expect them to know about.

Madness.

Londonnight · 22/07/2021 10:00

I am not sure why so many think £15000 is a low wage? That is around what I get as an adult in my 60's and I have to pay everything out from that.
£15000 for an apprentice is a pretty high wage.

Next time you are out, just say, this time it's your turn to buy lunch.

AdriannaP · 22/07/2021 10:01

Yabu - he is a young adult, probably didn’t even think about it. My DB was like that until his mid 20ies!

But seriously you cried because you paid your son a cheap lunch whilst admitting you are funding your DD expensive dance hobby. Also you offered to pay!

Mommabear20 · 22/07/2021 10:01

YABU!

You said you'd pay!
My mum and I have always had a rule, whoever suggests lunch, chooses the place and pays, if we're out and about and need lunch (but hadn't planned on it) one of us will offer, if neither offers, we pay for ourselves. I might be having a tight month and so might she so neither of us are in a situation to pay for the other.

I find it truly sad how much people think money means love. It doesn't matter how much someone spends on you! It's how much TIME they spend WITH you! A person can always earn more money, but their time is irreplaceable, if they choose to spend that with you, I think that says 100x more than a few measly £

MiddleParking · 22/07/2021 10:02

@Londonnight

I am not sure why so many think £15000 is a low wage? That is around what I get as an adult in my 60's and I have to pay everything out from that. £15000 for an apprentice is a pretty high wage.

Next time you are out, just say, this time it's your turn to buy lunch.

It is a low wage. The fact that lots of employers get away with paying low wages doesn’t negate the fact that the wages are low.
Vari757 · 22/07/2021 10:04

You sound like my MIL. She thinks my OH owes her a massive favour because he was born and throws tantrums if we don't bring gifts everytime we visit her. We've even been shouted at because one year her Mother's Day card wasn't "special" enough 🙄 😒

Constellationstation · 22/07/2021 10:05

I think you’re BVU and I feel sad for your son.
Perhaps he thought you wanted to buy lunch for him because you’re proud of him as he’s just had his first ever salary.
I’ve see a few threads now where people offer to do things and then complain when people take them up on the offer. I think this is such a horrible way to operate.
If someone offers me something I take it at face value that they’d like me to have it. It’s very two faced to offer and then complain when someone takes you up on it.

MichelleScarn · 22/07/2021 10:06

@Sleepinghyena

Yabu. You offered to pay. And if he took the change because you had no pockets, then you could have asked for it back. It sounds like you have spent a lot more on your daughter's dancing than on equivalent for him. You are very defensive about this :"It's not my fault " Well, yes, it is your fault if you haven't treated your children equally. You mention you have had no holidays for the last 5 years because of paying for dancing. Well, as the is now 18, that would be his teenage years with no holiday when you admit there could have been if it wasn't for DD's dancing, I would imagine he he keenly aware of the financial inequalities in your spending on DC. And yet you are tearful because he didn't buy the lunch that you offered to pay for? Be honest, is there a definite golden child in your family??
Agree with this, and very much don't understand the 'its not my fault' re paying for expensive dance lessons. Do you not want to and are being forced to? How much of family life has been curtailed for exams, competitions, cost of costumes etc. Also depends on what time of dance, I've seen outfits for 'freestyle' type costing £2k+ !!
Dishwashersaurous · 22/07/2021 10:08

You said that you would pay?

If you wanted him to pay you should of said, this can be your treat now that you are earning.

Children are expensive. They will have hobbies. As parents we can choose whether or not to financially support those hobbies if we are able to do so. We can not expect pay back in the future for choosing to spend money on them.

Bibidy · 22/07/2021 10:08

I think you're thinking way too much into this @Whyamivirtuallyinvisible

He's 18, it likely wouldn't even occur to him that you'd expect him to pay, and also you'd expressly given him your card. If you hadn't done that he probably wouldn't have asked for it and would have withdrawn money from his own account, since you are on crutches and couldn't get to the atm.

I am 32 and if my mum gave me her card to withdraw money then I would do that because I'd assume she wanted to pay for lunch. I wouldn't think that she was doing it against her own wishes just to see if I would pay.

He never would have meant to upset you by this.

Fiddliestofsticks · 22/07/2021 10:13

In this case, I'm saying you absolutely don't deserve lunch from him.

You say you managed your daughter's dancing expenses by scrimping as a family. Nothing fancy. No holidays. You live very frugal, basic lives in order to fund her. That doesn't just mean you and your husband. It means your son has lived like that too. It's one thing if you just don't have the money. That's fine. But you do, you had the money to give him nice things growing up, take him on holiday etc. But you chose to spend all your money on your daughter and he gets left with the dregs.

Now your counting up how much you spent on getting him a few items of clothing? And the car (which is a pretty cheap car)? How much have you spent on your daughter's dancing? Oh wait.. I guess you don't add that up, you're only adding up what you spend on your boy.

He deserved more growing up, because as a family you could afford it. You decided to give all spare money to your daughter. And now you want him to buy you lunch?

If you're struggling for money, it's her dancing you need to take it from. Not your son's wage.

OldTurtleNewShell · 22/07/2021 10:14

YABU and a big one.
I really struggled with this as a teenager and, frankly, still do sometimes.
When someone says something, I assume that they mean what they say.
It was only as an adult that I realised that there's this whole set of unwritten rules that differ completely from person to person, and you're supposed to be second-guessing all the time and working out what they really mean and if you get it wrong, they'll be offended because they expect you to do the opposite of what they've said they want.
It's a bloody minefield.
I used to think the problem was me, but now on the rare occasion I come across a potential new friend who starts with this kind of mind games, I just drop them. I'm too old to deal with that shit. They can take that drama elsewhere.
If you explicitedly said you'd buy lunch, you're being massively unreasonable to expect an 18 year old to realise that you didn't mean it. Even worse to then get upset with him because he didn't read your mind.
If you're going to go down that route, at least tell him explicitly why you're upset. At least that way, next time, he'll know that what you say isn't what you mean and he has to try work it out, or has the opportunity to ask.

Bibidy · 22/07/2021 10:24

I don't know why people are relating this to the daughter's dancing? I would completely bet that DS did not 'not pay' out of spite or revenge for that!

He's just an 18 year old who's used to his mum paying for stuff for him. I doubt he's even given it a second thought at all.

Bryonyshcmyony · 22/07/2021 10:26

I don't know why people are relating this to the daughter's dancing? I would completely bet that DS did not 'not pay' out of spite or revenge for that!

Because some posters are spiteful

WalkingOnTheCracks · 22/07/2021 10:28

@OldTurtleNewShell

It was only as an adult that I realised that there's this whole set of unwritten rules that differ completely from person to person, and you're supposed to be second-guessing all the time and working out what they really mean and if you get it wrong, they'll be offended because they expect you to do the opposite of what they've said they want.

In fact, it's even more complex and manipulative than that. I think that quite often the person doing it isn't really sure themselves what they want, so they're leaving all the options open until after it happens, and then they can see whether they like it.

So, "Do A."

You do A.

"No, no - obviously anyone with any sensitivity would realise that whatever I said, what I meant was 'do B'. You're such a cloddish arsehole."

As opposed to...

"Do A."

I do B, on account of trying to avoid being a cloddish arsehole.

"Why did you do B? I mean, when I specifically told you to do A?Obviously you don't actually care at all what I want. You're a selfish prick."

If people don't say what they mean, they're not only stripping all usefulness from language they're also giving themselves plenty of ammunition to use later against the bewildered and defenceless.

LalalalalalaLand123 · 22/07/2021 10:29

Goodness OP, I can't see why you're upset at all - you said you'd pay! Plus there is the ever-present issue of you spending far more on his sister - which despite you saying isn't your fault, it totally IS your fault because you're the one choosing to do it; very odd that you would deny this. So you're spending loads on DD, which impacts DS negatively because it limits his experiences and what you do together as a family (eg holidays); AND then you expect DS to pay for your lunch? I think you need to take a very close look at how you are treating your two children so differently.

Fiddliestofsticks · 22/07/2021 10:31

@Bibidy

We're not talking about the son's motivations though. He is just an 18 year old who only got paid his first wage, and his mum offered to pay for lunch. He just didn't have the wherewithal to say, "I'll buy you lunch." Nothing to get upset about.

But my reply, about the daughter's expenses, was related to the OP's motivations and attitude to money. Nothing to do with what the son was thinking.

sweeneytoddsrazor · 22/07/2021 10:31

He didn't offer, because you said you.would pay and thats what he is used to. It will change over time

pinkcircustop · 22/07/2021 10:33

YABVU. You said you’d pay, so of course he didn’t offer or think anymore about it. Why should he? The matter was closed.

Don’t sulk in silence and expect your son to be a mind reader.

Fiddliestofsticks · 22/07/2021 10:35

@Londonnight

It is a low wage. You are also on a low wage, just in a different stage of life, so have more to pay for. But it is still a low wage.

At this kid's age, he should be looking at saving a big chunk of his wages so he can start becoming independent, move out, pay depotists and furnish a home etc. He may also want to have a holiday since he hasn't had one for many years with his family.

Just because you're also earning that about at 60, does not mean it isn't a low wage.

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godmum56 · 22/07/2021 10:43

@Bibidy

I don't know why people are relating this to the daughter's dancing? I would completely bet that DS did not 'not pay' out of spite or revenge for that!

He's just an 18 year old who's used to his mum paying for stuff for him. I doubt he's even given it a second thought at all.

I don't think that anyone has said that DS behaved out of spite or for revenge.....It was the OP who mentioned it and indicated that more money had been spent on DD than on DS and again indicating that this was ok because DD dances to a high standard and anyway " I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault" oo those dance school fairies who enter people's bank accounts and take their money.....

The tiny violin comment was because lets face it the OP was piling on the pathos.....
"It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account."

would she have minded less if she hadn't been on crutches?

I mean the baseline of this story is "I offered to buy my son lunch, he accepted and this hurt me terribly AIBU"
......but of course far less pathos in that