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AIBU to think son could have spent £7.50 on me?

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Whyamivirtuallyinvisible · 22/07/2021 07:35

My son has just started work, admittedly it isn't the greatest wage, however he's been very lucky to get a job as an apprentice p,umber on 15K. He gets picked up every day so won't need fuel for his car at all during the working week. Incidentallly we bought the car, insured it for him for the first year and husband also gave him half towards his first big repair bill which cost us £200.

Times have been extremely tough financially the last few years, made worse by Covid, like many people. Our DD dances to a very high standard and it goes without saying that this costs an awful lot of money, but we manage somehow like no fancy expenditures and no holidays for the last five years. I've recently had an ankle op so I've also lost money from work.

About two months ago my son had desperately needed new clothes. Smart for interviews and some casual which had cost around £180/200 which we had paid for. He has had part time jobs but nothing since January due to Covid and then studying for A Levels

Last Saturday I'd gone into town with him, my first venture on crutches and he was going to buy himself a few things to wear with his first salary. He'd probably spent around £70 on himself before we decided to head for lunch and a rest as I was shattered. Without thinking I said I'd buy lunch. Force of habit really as not used to him working. However when we had almost arrived at the food place he remembered they only took cash. I waited outside for him as he needed to walk further up the road to withdraw cash. I gave him my card and PIN number and even as he walked away I honestly thought he'd come back and say he was treating me out of his first wage packet.

We ordered food and sat down and he told me he'd taken £20 out of my account. I think mine was £7.50 as I'd ordered small but his was more, possibly £9/10. He put the change on the table and then in his pocket as I had no bag or pockets. He kept the change but I am sure he'd just forgotten about it and I wasn't going to ask for £2 back.

Being honest I felt really hurt and ashamed to admit I shed a tear (pathetic I know) as it made me feel kind of crap. I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault. I've tried to make it up to him in other ways and the year before I'd bought him an off-road bike £1000 and £500 worth of clothing, boots, helmet etc. It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account. Even if he'd said 'Do you mind if we have a packet of sandwiches each, I'll treat you' that would have felt better.

AIBU to think this was a bit mean after 18 years of trying to always give him what we could afford or was it my fault for inadvertently saying I'd pay.

OP posts:
JonahofArk · 22/07/2021 10:47

OP I find it interesting that you are listing the exact amounts of money you have recently spent on your son but when it comes to your DD you've just said her costs are a lot. I might be wrong but there does seem to be a big discrepancy here between your children-either in terms of how much you spend on each or in terms of how you feel about how much you spend on each. Do you keep a running tally of how much you spend on your daughter? Is she given more leeway?

This just seems a huge overreaction for a lunch. If you want to charge your son rent/board now that he's working then that's one thing, but you don't have a right to decide how he spends his money. He is not obligated to treat you.

MasterBeth · 22/07/2021 10:48

@Londonnight

I am not sure why so many think £15000 is a low wage? That is around what I get as an adult in my 60's and I have to pay everything out from that. £15000 for an apprentice is a pretty high wage.

Next time you are out, just say, this time it's your turn to buy lunch.

£15,000 pa is less than minimum wage. Yes, that’s allowed for an apprenticeship, but it’s still a low wage. I’m sorry if that’s what you get - it’s still low!
SweetPetrichor · 22/07/2021 10:50

So you shell out lots of money on DD’s hobby, meaning everyone in the family feels the financial crunch…yet you cry over him not reading your mind. How can you have disparity like this between your kids?! Don’t assume he doesn’t note this every day inequality. I’m not saying you need to spend the exact same on your children but I don’t think one should have a really expensive hobby…if for no other reason that it means your son could never have as expensive a hobby even if he wanted to cause all the money is going on DD. It reeks of favouritism.

MasterBeth · 22/07/2021 10:51

@Feelingbad2

I’m astounded at people saying it’s a low wage. For an 18 year old apprentice living at home that’s a great wage! It’s more than I earn as a full time TA!
Full time TAs earn a scandalously low wage!
BuffySummersReportingforSanity · 22/07/2021 10:51

YABU.

Without telling him, you set up a test for him. And you set him up to fail.

My dad did this once when I was a teenager. He asked me to do an errand for him, I was preoccupied with something and said no. And he went around being brokenhearted about how I didn't care about him. Looking back with adult eyes, I can see that he was stressed and frazzled - he was about to effectively perform in a big project that was a new thing for him - but I was a teen, I was a selfish and shortsighted thinker because I was a teen, and he didn't tell me that fetching him a bottle of water was now a barometer of whether I loved him or not. Of course I would have brought him the fucking water if I'd known what weight he put on it. But I didn't. He set up a test without telling me, and he set me up to fail.

You set your DS up to fail too. You have paid for his food and everything else for 18 years, and you said you'd pay this day, and then you secretly decided to use whether he ignored both the habit of a lifetime and what you'd literally said that day to prove whether he loved you or not. And surprise surprise, he failed, as anyone looking in would have told you he would.

Talk to him about chipping in and appreciating people now he's an adult. Let this go. Don't set up secret tests for people.

SnickettyLemon · 22/07/2021 10:52

Nobody seems to agree on whether or not £15k is a low wage. Compared to the apparant 'average salary ' it is low. For a teenager living at home with no bills I would consider it very good. For a home owner with children and numerous bills it is a bloody pittance. Should we now say that any parent earning less than this should not be expected to support their children?

TheRebelle · 22/07/2021 10:52

I’m 37 and my mum still buys me lunch, to be honest it wouldn’t even occur to me to offer when it’s my parents!

SchrodingersImmigrant · 22/07/2021 10:52

It doesn't matter whether he is on low or high wage, people.

If someone says "I will pay" and the confirms it by "here is my card go take out money" they intend to pay and playing fucking mind games is just ridiculous.

AnotherDayAnotherCake · 22/07/2021 10:53

I get it. It’s just that acknowledgment of ‘hey Mum, you do a lot for me, here’s a little thanks’.

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/07/2021 10:55

I think YABU to have expected him to turn down your offer to pay.

I don't think YABU to be upset that YOU haven't apparently taught him to be a bit more thoughtful or generous.

MasterBeth · 22/07/2021 10:55

@Bryonyshcmyony
OK, Oliver Cromwell

Brilliant

Bibidy · 22/07/2021 10:57

I don't think that anyone has said that DS behaved out of spite or for revenge.....It was the OP who mentioned it and indicated that more money had been spent on DD than on DS and again indicating that this was ok because DD dances to a high standard and anyway " I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault"
oo those dance school fairies who enter people's bank accounts and take their money.....

The tiny violin comment was because lets face it the OP was piling on the pathos.....
"It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account."

would she have minded less if she hadn't been on crutches?

I mean the baseline of this story is "I offered to buy my son lunch, he accepted and this hurt me terribly AIBU"
......but of course far less pathos in that

I get it and agree that there is nothing in this at all, and that OP was unreasonable to think her 18yo son would automatically think to buy her lunch even after she'd expressly handed over her card for him to withdraw money to pay. Completely get it and agree.

I just don't get why so many are referencing DD's dancing, as if OP has been out of order in financing that? Lots of families have one kid with an expensive hobby which results in them getting more spent on them. To me, it sounds like OP's guilt over that spending is making her relate it to her son not buying her lunch.

spotcheck · 22/07/2021 10:58

Be patient OP
One day he will treat you- the idea of being paid is probably too new.
Well done to your son for securing an apprenticeship 😊

Bonitalazenia · 22/07/2021 10:58

He is a selfish little twonk!

Bibidy · 22/07/2021 10:58

I don't think his wage really matters, whether it's low or not. He's only 18 and has likely been used to his parents paying for everything for him until now.

His mum offered her card, he wouldn't have thought twice. I know I wouldn't have.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 22/07/2021 10:59

I agree with other posters, you offered to pay, you're Mum and he is used to you paying for things, so he isn't being selfish. In fact I thought you were going to say that he took a lot of money out on your card and sneakily kept it for himself! But all that happened is that he's not used to "treating" you, you are not yet on adult equal terms. If you want to start changing things a bit you can say something like "your treat or mine today?"

Your DS has studied for A levels, worked part time, you can trust him with your cash card, he has a good first job, and he came to town and spent the day with you. How many 18 year old boys are happy to spend the day shopping with Mum? Really this is a big success!

SleepingStandingUp · 22/07/2021 11:00

@Bonitalazenia

He is a selfish little twonk!
Why os he selfish? His Mom offered to buy lunch. She needed cash from the machine so he went for her. He did exactly what was asked of him. Op has a voice. If she wants DS to act like an adult she needs to treat him like one. So don't offer things you don't want to give. Dont get upset when people aren't psychic.
IAmFourEels · 22/07/2021 11:19

I don’t think OP is coming back…

beautifulday1 · 22/07/2021 11:20

Well, I think it's just a habit of dependence on parents, they will grow out of it finally. I remember that I once read an article, about a man had dinner with his father, when the waiter gave the bill by the end, his father didn't move, it was by that point he realized that he finally was a grown up man, it was his turn now.

My DS1 is at Uni, he had his first proper summer job this summer, so he is going to have his first salary this month, I congratulated to him, and said he should invite our whole family for a meal out. The salary is not high, I think is around minimum wage as well, but I think it is a sort of gesture and it's important that he use his first earned salary to treat his family. We still pay for his accommodation at Uni, buy him all his clothes.

So op, I would suggest you just guide him to treat the family, either buy some gift for everyone, or have a meal out together to celebrate. Some boys won't know if you don't say. And it should be a proud moment for him as well.

YeokensYegg · 22/07/2021 11:22

If he's never been taught to think of anyone but himself, why would you expect him to behave any differently?

You offered to pay and now you're upset. Doesn't make sense.

Never understood the reasoning behind indulging children in very expensive hobbies, they give up when they go off to uni.

Jangle33 · 22/07/2021 11:23

I’d always pay for my kids’ lunch even if they’d left home. It won have crossed his mind to contribute.

If you have financial concerns and need him to contribute at home now he’s earning you need to have a conversation about that although it does seem you are somewhat prioritising your DD’s dancing.

MasterBeth · 22/07/2021 11:24

@YeokensYegg

If he's never been taught to think of anyone but himself, why would you expect him to behave any differently?

You offered to pay and now you're upset. Doesn't make sense.

Never understood the reasoning behind indulging children in very expensive hobbies, they give up when they go off to uni.

Sure, why give your kids opportunities to pursue things they enjoy and may excel at? What a waste of money.
idontlikealdi · 22/07/2021 11:26

You are being ridiculous! You can find your daughters dancing late you itemising everything you spend in that too? Will you present her with a bill?

NotImpossible · 22/07/2021 11:27

Honesty, he probably didn't even think of it. As you say, it's habit. I doubt it was in any way mean or anything, just thoughtless in a teenage way.

misssunshine4040 · 22/07/2021 11:28

YABU, you offered. Why did you do that? And why are keeping a tally of everything you have spent on him?
Do you have a great relationship in general? If so I would work to keep that, next time you can say on his pay day he can treat you to lunch and hold him to it