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AIBU to think son could have spent £7.50 on me?

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Whyamivirtuallyinvisible · 22/07/2021 07:35

My son has just started work, admittedly it isn't the greatest wage, however he's been very lucky to get a job as an apprentice p,umber on 15K. He gets picked up every day so won't need fuel for his car at all during the working week. Incidentallly we bought the car, insured it for him for the first year and husband also gave him half towards his first big repair bill which cost us £200.

Times have been extremely tough financially the last few years, made worse by Covid, like many people. Our DD dances to a very high standard and it goes without saying that this costs an awful lot of money, but we manage somehow like no fancy expenditures and no holidays for the last five years. I've recently had an ankle op so I've also lost money from work.

About two months ago my son had desperately needed new clothes. Smart for interviews and some casual which had cost around £180/200 which we had paid for. He has had part time jobs but nothing since January due to Covid and then studying for A Levels

Last Saturday I'd gone into town with him, my first venture on crutches and he was going to buy himself a few things to wear with his first salary. He'd probably spent around £70 on himself before we decided to head for lunch and a rest as I was shattered. Without thinking I said I'd buy lunch. Force of habit really as not used to him working. However when we had almost arrived at the food place he remembered they only took cash. I waited outside for him as he needed to walk further up the road to withdraw cash. I gave him my card and PIN number and even as he walked away I honestly thought he'd come back and say he was treating me out of his first wage packet.

We ordered food and sat down and he told me he'd taken £20 out of my account. I think mine was £7.50 as I'd ordered small but his was more, possibly £9/10. He put the change on the table and then in his pocket as I had no bag or pockets. He kept the change but I am sure he'd just forgotten about it and I wasn't going to ask for £2 back.

Being honest I felt really hurt and ashamed to admit I shed a tear (pathetic I know) as it made me feel kind of crap. I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault. I've tried to make it up to him in other ways and the year before I'd bought him an off-road bike £1000 and £500 worth of clothing, boots, helmet etc. It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account. Even if he'd said 'Do you mind if we have a packet of sandwiches each, I'll treat you' that would have felt better.

AIBU to think this was a bit mean after 18 years of trying to always give him what we could afford or was it my fault for inadvertently saying I'd pay.

OP posts:
PaulaPetunia · 22/07/2021 11:29

He's still young and learning.
Encourage his generosity to others.

PaulaPetunia · 22/07/2021 11:31

And any adults who still are in the child role of being treated: step up and offer to pay!

CrouchEndTiger12 · 22/07/2021 11:35

The post is so materialistic of the OP. Why do so many people judge how much people care about you by the stuff they buy you?

The OP feels unloved as he didn't pay for lunch after she said she would.

Interestingly the OP doesn't expect her son to feel unloved because she spent so much more money on the sister and curtailed their lives because of her.

godmum56 · 22/07/2021 11:36

@Bibidy

I don't think that anyone has said that DS behaved out of spite or for revenge.....It was the OP who mentioned it and indicated that more money had been spent on DD than on DS and again indicating that this was ok because DD dances to a high standard and anyway " I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault" oo those dance school fairies who enter people's bank accounts and take their money.....

The tiny violin comment was because lets face it the OP was piling on the pathos.....
"It's not even the money, it's the gesture and I think it felt worse because I'd stood in the street on crutches whilst he'd gone to withdraw money from my own account."

would she have minded less if she hadn't been on crutches?

I mean the baseline of this story is "I offered to buy my son lunch, he accepted and this hurt me terribly AIBU"
......but of course far less pathos in that

I get it and agree that there is nothing in this at all, and that OP was unreasonable to think her 18yo son would automatically think to buy her lunch even after she'd expressly handed over her card for him to withdraw money to pay. Completely get it and agree.

I just don't get why so many are referencing DD's dancing, as if OP has been out of order in financing that? Lots of families have one kid with an expensive hobby which results in them getting more spent on them. To me, it sounds like OP's guilt over that spending is making her relate it to her son not buying her lunch.

Yes i agree with you, its getting mentioned because its part of the pathos list....."yes i spent more money on DD but she dances to a high standard so its not my fault" personally i see more value in bringing a decent plumber into the world than another dancer but that's just me.....
whynotwhatknot · 22/07/2021 11:36

You asked him to get money out then you said you were paying hes not mature enough yet to step in and say no this ones on me because you bought him clothes driving lessons etc

ChainJane · 22/07/2021 11:50

You are completely unreasonable.

You offered to pay.

You gave him your card and pin number to withdraw your cash.

You let him put the change in his pocket because you didn't have anywhere to store it.

You haven't asked for it back.

I honestly don't get where you are coming from at all. He's your child for goodness sake, albeit you don't like him as much as your daughter (he probably picks up on that by the way).

nancywhitehead · 22/07/2021 11:55

So you offered to pay, and then got upset that he didn't tell you "no, put your purse away mum, I'll pay"?

Firstly, he's not a mind reader.

Secondly, he's 18. No 18-year-olds I have met behave the way you expect him to.

Why are you placing these weird expectations on him to behave a certain way?

It sounds like you feel you have looked after your child all his life and now you feel he should be giving something back? Specifically, something financial?

I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. As a parent, you look after your child. Full stop. You don't expect anything back. It's nice if they give it - sure! But you don't do it for that reason. If you've looked after him all his life and given him what he needs - great - but so what? He didn't ask to be brought into this world.

I also agree with other posters saying you have a strange attitude to money, it seems like you are totting everything up. He's your child. Let it go.

strawberrydonuts · 22/07/2021 12:00

You talk as if your son should be more grateful for what you have done for him and should in some way be paying you back.

Why? You decided to have a child. He doesn't owe you anything - he's your son. It wasn't up to him that he was born.

Can't stand it when parents expect things from their kids and this is a very materialistic post. You come across as obsessed with money.

Crowsandshivers · 22/07/2021 12:03

Dear God. He is young and it is his first wage. Of course YABU. He is going to want to enjoy the first few before the novelty wears off and he wants to treat others. Next time don't offer.

neveradullmoment99 · 22/07/2021 12:07

All my sons expect me to pay. It was his very first wage. It would have been nice to have been treated but all 3 of my ds would not have paid!

ravelston · 22/07/2021 12:09

YABU
You offered to pay. I can't believe you're listing all the things you've paid for for your teenage son. That's called being a parent

"I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault." So who's fault is it?

RozHuntleysStump · 22/07/2021 12:14

Aww don't be sad. He's still young and daft.

RightYesButNo · 22/07/2021 12:15

No bag or pockets but he managed to get money from a cash machine with your card. Where did that come from then?
Oh bollocks. Excellent catch. You know, it’s the little details that always trip them up. Sigh. And we were all so busy being incensed by the golden child/ scapegoat thing OP has gone on about, we fell for it. She can’t even claim he was holding the card because she says, “I gave him my card,” before saying she had no pockets or bag when he was soooo selfish and kept the change. What an incredibly interesting first post from an OP who I doubt will ever come back.

pastafeend · 22/07/2021 12:20

I thought the crutches were a cracking addition tbh. How awful for OP to have to stand wand wait for him in the street on crutches while he went to get her money from the bank - during a shopping trip where she was inevitably walking about on said crutches.

gogohm · 22/07/2021 12:27

I generally pay for my young adult DD's but Dd2 does occasionally bug a round of drinks. My parents don't let me pay when out with them!

PrinnyPree · 22/07/2021 12:49

Sorry OP he's 18 and you offered to buy him lunch. He's not mature enough with money to be arguing about who's turn it is, as others have said until he is actually properly responsible for his own bills and out goings he won't "get it" and he's still a teenager so is still riding that mother and child dynamic where of course his Mum buys him lunch and he hasn't developed the intuition to offer.

I totally understand why you are disappointed though, he's just immature and thats not really his fault. X

catfunk · 22/07/2021 13:20

He's a teenager so probably a bit thoughtless, you said you'd pay, send him off with your card and then cried because he did what you told him to do?

AudacityBaby · 22/07/2021 13:25

Speaking as someone who actually has cut contact with their parents, couple of things I'd encourage you to think about.

Don't set secret emotional tests for your children and then get upset when they're not met, and then tell them how upset you are. My mum did this persistently throughout my teenage years and well into adulthood, and it massively affects your ability to trust that other people mean what they say. This is particularly important for a young man who in time is likely to want to settle down with a woman, and may struggle if he's learned to expect dishonest communication with women.

Don't do the thing where you expect to be paid back for raising your children. "I didn't ask to be born!" is often derided as hysteria, but it's absolutely true. You had children because you wanted children. Raising them (including the financial responsibility) is not a favour to them. It is you discharging the duty that you signed up for. It's absolutely lovely to have grateful children who show their love and appreciation via gifts/treats/lunches out etc. but we know when you expect it - and gratitude won't be genuine if you've made it clear that it's required in a certain form.

Be less passive. If you want something, ask for it (except gratitude - you can't demand someone be grateful to you and if you do, chances are they won't anyway)! If you don't want to pay for your DD's dancing, then say so! Life is much better when you take ownership of your choices, needs and wants - and when you communicate those clearly and respectfully to others. Passivity encourages people to think that they don't have control over things, which leads to resentment of the people who seem to exist only to burden them. When, in fact, the better approach is to be clear about your expectations and don't do things you don't want to do.

TheSoapyFrog · 22/07/2021 13:27

YABU. You said you would pay.
I remember when I was younger and started earning money, I never thought to offer because I was so used to my parents paying for me and it was sort of a habit! They did eventually talk to me about it one day though and things changed.

Gilead · 22/07/2021 13:28

You did exactly what my mum used to do, setting him up to fail. You said you would pay, he took it that you meant it. If you wanted him to pay you should have said something along the lines of , come on, treat Mum from your first pay packet, but you didn’t and now you being sulky about it. Unless he’s a mind reader, accept that you made a mistake and move on.
If this is really harsh, apologies, my mum is a cow and that’s the nicest thing I can think of to say about her.

AudacityBaby · 22/07/2021 13:33

[quote WalkingOnTheCracks]@OldTurtleNewShell

It was only as an adult that I realised that there's this whole set of unwritten rules that differ completely from person to person, and you're supposed to be second-guessing all the time and working out what they really mean and if you get it wrong, they'll be offended because they expect you to do the opposite of what they've said they want.

In fact, it's even more complex and manipulative than that. I think that quite often the person doing it isn't really sure themselves what they want, so they're leaving all the options open until after it happens, and then they can see whether they like it.

So, "Do A."

You do A.

"No, no - obviously anyone with any sensitivity would realise that whatever I said, what I meant was 'do B'. You're such a cloddish arsehole."

As opposed to...

"Do A."

I do B, on account of trying to avoid being a cloddish arsehole.

"Why did you do B? I mean, when I specifically told you to do A?Obviously you don't actually care at all what I want. You're a selfish prick."

If people don't say what they mean, they're not only stripping all usefulness from language they're also giving themselves plenty of ammunition to use later against the bewildered and defenceless.[/quote]
Fantastic post.

I grew up with this, and it's taken me a long long time to unlearn it as a behaviour in myself, too. It's absolutely horrible to be around.

Blossomtoes · 22/07/2021 13:37

@Bluntness100

I’d not expect my daughter to by me lunch no, certainly not on that low salary and I don’t think she owes me because I raised her either.
Really? I went out with my son last week. I bought the train and exhibition tickets, I thought the least he could do was pay for lunch.
OnGoldenPond · 22/07/2021 13:54

DD never offers to pay for lunch and I wouldn't accept it if she did. She is a student and can't get a part time job in term time as her course requires attendance 6 days a week 9am to 5pm. However, she sends back the monthly money we send her to top up her minimum maintenance grant as she says she has enough saved from her holiday jobs so I don't think she is a freeloader or entitled. It's just that lunch has always been Mum's treat and we then don't need to be too worried about eating in a slightly more expensive place.

Porcupineintherough · 22/07/2021 14:02

I think I was closer to 30 before I started insisting on treating my parents. Partly through habit but partly because it took me until my first mortgage to realise the difference bw income (I knew they earnt far more than me) and disposable income .

pinkyredrose · 22/07/2021 14:22

I've always felt guilty about DD's dancing as she has had more spent on her but that isn't my fault

Hmm Seriously? Why does her dancing cost you so much? Can she get a job?