… to ask why Giles Coren hasn’t been cancelled yet?

[mowly77]

The vile Dawn Foster tweets ffs. But he seems Teflon coated. He will never be cancelled. Three fucking columns a week … a pissing radio show, albeit on Times Radio, which surely no one listens to. I would love to be proved wrong. Absolutely love to be.

Nothing makes anyone immune to potential retaliation. As Giles Coren is discovering.

What makes one immune to potential retaliation?

Did he retaliate?

Or did he just have a pop at a dead woman who couldnt answer back?

Ive honestly no idea

And what gollyh said

Is saying someone benefited from nepotism a ‘full on attack’

I only know whats been going on from this thread so she may well have said more ‘vile’ things

Rather than respond to her tweet at the time, and engage in whatever would have resulted, he has chosen to cause pain to her family and friends. Is it proportionate to respond to a barbed tweet by wishing someone newly dead to hell and laughing? What sort of society are we creating now that anyone is arguing that is the case?

But tbf Dawn Foster started it, not sure why she decided to pick on him particularly.

Picking on him?

I can certainly take valid criticism or even invalid criticism without having to celebrate someone's death because they said something I didn't like. It's a complete overreaction surely & also shows how fragile his ego is as clearly it stung.

Is it proportionate to respond to a barbed tweet

I'm not condoning his tweet.

But it's not always so easy to be 'measured' and 'proportionate' when one is hurt. The guy may have been harbouring resentment since that day, and reacted badly, who knows?

Plus I'm big enough & bold enough that if someone says something I take umbrage with I can respond to it not wait until they are dead & can't respond. That's not a retaliation, it's just cowardice.

@mustlovegin

Is it proportionate to respond to a barbed tweet

I'm not condoning his tweet.

But it's not always so easy to be 'measured' and 'proportionate' when one is hurt. The guy may have been harbouring resentment since that day, and reacted badly, who knows?

Would you do that must?

But it's not always so easy to be 'measured' and 'proportionate' when one is hurt.

That's for him to work on not for other people to tiptoe around.

@mustlovegin I definitely don’t want to take over his column! And nor do my producer friends; they are all gainfully employed as TV producers. I’m just repeating what I heard from someone who worked with GC on the F Word, shortly after which he massively fell out with Gordon Ramsay, who apparently was charming and polite to even the lowliest runners and is hardly ever off TV.

When you say that Dawn Foster was someone who “chooses a target and launches a full on attack” do you mean the single Tweet she wrote suggesting that Giles got where he was because of nepotism (probably true), and that as the “victim” GC had the right to “retaliate” by telling her to burn in hell after her death at the age of 33?

Yes and blaming India Knight for what her dh did. Pathetic

But happy to want her "cancelled"? And therefore deprive her of her own living? Shameful

I don't understand what argument you are trying to make?

I hate pedophiles, if someone wants to stand by one it's their choice. But are you saying I should put aside my own beliefs & continue to buy something that funds someone who believes different to me because to do otherwise is shameful? That's batshit.

I would be appalled if my husband behaved like that. Just because someone upsets you can’t behave in a way that is so vicious and vindictive, and people shouldn’t speak ill of the dead, especially not a working class woman with long term health problems who has just died at the premature age of 33, when you are a well educated, privileged, wealthy male.

That's for him to work on not for other people to tiptoe around

I wouldn't do what he did.

What I'm saying is that one must think before picking on and hurting someone as one never knows how the other person will react.

Why are we still focusing on the working class aspect?

Raquel do you think it would be ok if this happened to an upper class woman for instance?

I don't think of her as a paedophile apologist, and I don't think she should be cancelled, and clearly nor do The Times so..

That's your choice, others can disagree though. Some people think Trump is great 🤷🏻‍♀️

What I'm saying is that one must think before picking on and hurting someone as one never knows how the other person will react.

So basically no criticism ever?

Again how was her tweet picking on him?

And by that logic what about the death threat Giles made against a child?

Now I agree that if someone threatened my child I would certainly see that as an attack & I would 100% retaliate. But I would do that before the person died.

@mustlovegin No, it wouldn’t be ok if he had behaved like this to an upper class woman. Speaking ill of the dead, and especially someone who has died so recently and prematurely, is just abominable whoever you are talking about. But, in the words of my millennial colleague, I think it would help if GC “checked his privilege” rather than brandished it.

He's a grown man, and a parent. I'd have thought however hurt he was years ago he could demonstrate an element of self-restraint.

What I'm saying is that one must think before picking on and hurting someone as one never knows how the other person will react.
Yes, how remiss of Dawn Foster not to be able to tell that someone who one might imagine to be busy and successful and to have a lot of things going on would keep a note of a mildly rude thing she said about him in a tweet once.
As for ' picking on' him, please! I've had more people 'picking on' me in stronger terms on here than that tweet.

India Knight is not responsible for her husband’s behaviour. I think she’s a bit of a boring columnist, and that it’s all a bit icky and unseemly, but ultimately it’s not her responsibility, unless she were using her column to defend him.

I think he may need help.

Of the 'put the bottle down Giles' kind.

@RaquelOak

India Knight is not responsible for her husband’s behaviour. I think she’s a bit of a boring columnist, and that it’s all a bit icky and unseemly, but ultimately it’s not her responsibility, unless she were using her column to defend him.

No one is saying she is responsible for her husband's behaviour. I view seeking out and viewing indecent images of children a bit more than 'icky' but hey ho, that's just me.

What she does have is a platform and I'm judging her on her own behaviour - that is showing herself to be a paedophile apologist, not denouncing his actions, giving her vile excuse of a partner a defence, and choosing him over her daughter.

@Bryonyshcmyony

Why would anyone actually WANT someone cancelled?

cancel culture is a scourge.

Absolutely this!

Giles Coren is a poor writer and clearly an unpleasant man. I skip past his column when I read The Times. No one should be 'cancelled', just ignore the talentless prat.

@ButYouGottaHaveASkillJeff I agree with you. Child pornography is way worse than being icky and unseemly. Bad choice of words. I don’t know the circumstances in her choosing him over her daughter. But I don’t think she should be deplatformed on the basis of what her husband has done.