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Ditching my mask from today except for in hospital settings

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Frittataz · 19/07/2021 06:46

Clearly this is fine legally speaking but AIBU to expect not to be asked to wear a mask from today onwards? I’ll wear one when attending hospital/doctors appointments but that’s it that’s were i draw the line. I shouldn’t be expected to explain myself right? I’ve wore a mask from the beginning and stuck to every rule. I won’t be rushing out to go to nightclubs as I didn’t do that before covid and i don’t suddenly feel the need to surround myself (closely) with lots of other people but I am looking forward to taking my daughter shopping and going to the cinema without having to wear a mask.

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claralara42 · 19/07/2021 11:39

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FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 19/07/2021 11:39

Great! Well plenty of business will not require them and want money so any business turning me away for not wearing a snot rag that serves no purpose other than fear and control will not get my money

Snot rag 😂

Totally agree, choice is a wonderful thing, I tend to vote with my wallet and my feet and there's plenty of places to not wear masks. And the people who do wish to continue wearing masks can give their customer to wherever they want as well. Win win!

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 19/07/2021 11:40

*custom not customer

gardeninggirl68 · 19/07/2021 11:41

@wanttomarryamillionaire

Nope i wont be wearing one anywhere other than a medical setting either. Any shop etc that tries to force them on me will not be getting my money!
Ok but will you not at least wear one at the till whilst paying? A lot of our staff are vulnerable or have family members who are

We are short staffed due to isolating and holidays kicking in and can't swap staff round as easily so everyone gets minimum exposure

Could you consider that for us please?

Chippingbird23 · 19/07/2021 11:42

@LucyLockhearts

Shops will not have signs outside stating masks are required and I assume people who are poorly will not be out shopping.

@Frittataz

You don't know that.

Oh dear, you are a bit thoughtless (putting it kindly so I don't get banned.)

'Poorly people won't be out shopping'

How do you know if the person next to you is having chemo?
Or has a life -limiting illness?
Or is over 90 and needs to go shopping?
Or has a partner at home who has cancer or is having chemo or other drugs?

Your lack of awareness is just astonishing.

Yeah your dangerously naive guilt tripping is another level of abuse these days. Don’t bother as I know most people just want to get on with life now. We are not and never have been responsible until for anyone’s immune system. Where were you when people dying of flu every winter. Is your precious vaccine not working? Get over it and start living
Muminabun · 19/07/2021 11:42

Everyone vulnerable or over 40 have been fully vaccinated. Deaths are likely to be very low from now on even if infections skyrocket. The risk of death or serious illness is not what it was. Masks are ineffective to a large extent otherwise infections would not have skyrocketed. That said if you are on private property such as a shop or pretty much anywhere indoors then you can be requested to wear a mask or leave and the law has nothing to do with that.

gardeninggirl68 · 19/07/2021 11:44

@claralara42

If it makes people feel safer in work would you not put one on at the till so the cashier who is trapped there can feel a bit more at ease?

Mental health in retail is spiralling. We are also short staffed with people isolating etc

Even if you think masks are no use, could you not just do that? No?

UrAWizHarry · 19/07/2021 11:44

@wanttomarryamillionaire

Nope i wont be wearing one anywhere other than a medical setting either. Any shop etc that tries to force them on me will not be getting my money!
See, I don't even get this attitude.

Surely it's just making your life harder, not easier, (potentially) having to seek out alternative shops to ones you evidently want to go in just because you can't be arsed to put a bit of fabric over your face for 5 minutes?

Hadjab · 19/07/2021 11:44

@Frittataz

Thank you. Yes I see it a lot on here people being branded selfish for doing things they’re allowed to do. I don’t care what other people do we’ve all been through hell this last year so why can’t people just get on with their lives and not judge what other role do?
Well, you’re going to be judged for deciding that you’re not going to wear a mask, just because you’re no longer legally required to, even though COVID cases are rising again. If you don’t want to be judged, don’t post on a public forum, notifying all and sundry as to how much of a fool you are...
SecretKeeper1 · 19/07/2021 11:44

Ditching my mask from today except for in hospital settings

I’m not a doctor, but I don’t think you can wear a pretty mask while hooked up to an oxygen tank.

claralara42 · 19/07/2021 11:45

[quote gardeninggirl68]@claralara42

If it makes people feel safer in work would you not put one on at the till so the cashier who is trapped there can feel a bit more at ease?

Mental health in retail is spiralling. We are also short staffed with people isolating etc

Even if you think masks are no use, could you not just do that? No?[/quote]
I think you've addressed this to the wrong poster.

noirchatsdeux · 19/07/2021 11:45

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Beendownthisroadmorethantwice · 19/07/2021 11:46

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Every one of the people who went clubbing last night chose to go there and weighed up the risks. Retail workers don't get that choice.

Have I missed something - are there no staff working in nightclubs or are customers pouring their own drinks?

It’s far less likely that anyone clinically vulnerable is working in a nightclub.
Cloudhopping · 19/07/2021 11:48

Not choosing to wear a mask is an act of selfishness.

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 19/07/2021 11:48

It’s far less likely that anyone clinically vulnerable is working in a nightclub.

Why not?

Aside from that being a massive assumption, my point on that original post still stands.

That poster claimed it's fine to be in I gut my s because everyone in nightclubs is choosing to be there.

But the same doesn't apply for shops because they have staff Confused

If staff aren't choosing to work in supermarkets (a claim which in itself is a bit of a reach) then surely staff aren't choosing to work in nightclubs either?

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 19/07/2021 11:49

*night clubs not I gut my 🙄

ineedsun · 19/07/2021 11:50

Dangerously naive guilt tripping?

What do you mean?

BoredZelda · 19/07/2021 11:50

I get what you’re saying but to call me selfish for wanting to do something I’m legally allowed to do is bit harsh.

Plenty of things are both legal and selfish.

NotMyCat · 19/07/2021 11:57

@Beendownthisroadmorethantwice it's not impossible though
I'm CEV and have worked waitressing/bar staff, NHS...
it's not like you find out at birth, sometimes you already have a career then get a shock diagnosis, it can happen to anyone

Musmerian · 19/07/2021 11:58

Individual shops can make their own rules if they do choose. It’s people like you that are going to plunge us into a second lockdown and prevent a normal school next year. I’m so frustrated with the stupidity of our hopeless government because relying on individuals to behave responsibly . Not sure why you’re telling us this.

starfro · 19/07/2021 11:59

[quote Janus]@starfro I always wonder how much Chris Whitty is persuaded to say something that matches whatever the government are proposing?? I bet if he had free speech he would say the timing of this is awful.
To be honest, I have teenagers and early 20s and if they want to go clubbing I can’t blame them with the 2 years of no life they’ve had to protect the older generation. But they still wear masks in every indoor setting.
I understand that things have to open up at some point and when do we choose the right time but the huge rising numbers tell me this is not the right time. I’m not expecting this to go well!![/quote]
He definitely wouldn't (I have some insider knowledge here as well). I think he'd like to keep masks, but is quite sure this is the least worst time to open.

This only ends* when sufficient immunity builds up. That means lots of cases. You want to match the rise in cases to a time when the NHS isn't dealing with flu cases.

You might want to flatten the curve. Summer school holidays helps quite a lot with this. Mask wearing will a little bit as well. However, if you flatten it too much, you end up with it going on longer and into winter. Also, given R0 is now 6+, you just can't flatten the curve much. See the outbreaks in Souh Korea, Thailand, Vietnam to show how hard Delta is to control compared to previous iterations.

The actual SAGE/Gov plan from February is now very different thanks to Delta. It has changed the strategy from vaccine=immunity in vaccinated=small exit wave in the unvaccinated to vaccine=protection from severe illness, vaccine+infection = immunity. The Government isn't explaining this, even though scientists are.

There are no easy answers to any of this. The only other real option available is a hard hard lockdown for a whole year, but even then you end up with the same wave we're currently experiencing, just delayed a year.

*It won't end, you'll likely see smaller future outbreaks and most people will have Covid a few times in their lifetime

Bryonyshcmyony · 19/07/2021 11:59

I've just been shopping and took my mask - the staff in Lidl weren't wearing one so I didnt either and it was marvellous. Farm shop still askign for masks and social distancing and hand sanitiser so I of course complied but I did think oh fgs really.

Bryonyshcmyony · 19/07/2021 12:00

@Cloudhopping

Not choosing to wear a mask is an act of selfishness.
Then the staff in Lidl are selfish.
GreenFingersWouldBeHandy · 19/07/2021 12:00

I get what you’re saying but to call me selfish for wanting to do something I’m legally allowed to do is bit harsh.

Good grief, I can't work out if you're ignorant or just really don't care about any one else.

So yes, you are selfish because you may be carrying COVID without knowing it. You may then transmit this to someone else.

The fact that it's now legal to not wear a mask has nothing to do with whether or not it is selfish to do this.

Personally, I wouldn't want you in my shop. I wouldn't want your money. And I definitely would want to touch any of your cash.

As soon as I serve anyone without a mask, I sanitise my hands. To be honest, I'd rather wear gloves but we use touch-screen tills so these wouldn't work.

Beendownthisroadmorethantwice · 19/07/2021 12:02

@NotMyCat no not impossible but it is unlikely.

Nightclubs tend to employ bar staff on a casual basis. Most are open maybe 3 nights per week. It also tends to be part time work as opposed to retail which offers more full time work.

Nightclubs also, on the whole, did not retain staff during the pandemic - so it would be a case of now choosing to go for that sort of job.

Additionally there are far more retail staff than there are nightclub staff.

Comparing the two is disingenuous.

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