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Ditching my mask from today except for in hospital settings

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Frittataz · 19/07/2021 06:46

Clearly this is fine legally speaking but AIBU to expect not to be asked to wear a mask from today onwards? I’ll wear one when attending hospital/doctors appointments but that’s it that’s were i draw the line. I shouldn’t be expected to explain myself right? I’ve wore a mask from the beginning and stuck to every rule. I won’t be rushing out to go to nightclubs as I didn’t do that before covid and i don’t suddenly feel the need to surround myself (closely) with lots of other people but I am looking forward to taking my daughter shopping and going to the cinema without having to wear a mask.

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MrsTulipTattsyrup · 19/07/2021 17:13

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

Why weren't people so up in arms in previous years when flu pandemics (which happen every winter) that not only kill tens of thousands of people, but also has the NHS on its knees for a good 3-4 months of the year?

When was the concern then, the calling people selfish cunts, the insistence on staying indoors?

What's more, we cannot spend the rest of our lives behaving as if the nearest person could be dead if we do much as breath near them. That's not how the world works, it is not any one individual's responsibility for anybody else's health and this pathetic guilt tripping is getting old and boring.

Wear a mask, don't wear a mask. But respect choice.

I have always sent staff home if they appear in the office showing signs of flu, or serious colds, so they don’t give each other flu and decimate the workforce, leaving us unable to carry out out our work. They are all a salaried and paid full pay for up to several months’ sick leave, and most have the ability to work from home if they feel up to it, so we benefit as an organisation.

I don’t have the stats to hand but I do know that flu is less deadly than covid (from what we know of Covid so far) and much less transmissible. Certainly I can’t recall flu killing over 120,000 people in any year in my lifetime.

Covid is still a novel virus - we have had less than 2 years in which to study it, but already we know it has long term effects. Its long term effects could be much more serious or extensive than any of us are yet aware. We shouldn’t be gambling with the future health of the population - potentially leaving large numbers of people of working age disabled or unable to work.

We aren’t all yet double vaccinated so there are people in the population still vulnerable to infection. And beyond this, there are massive issues with the need for self-isolation - and this is the main threat to the economy.

Given that, it’s a public health crisis, and we do all have a responsibility to society, to allow the schools to stay open, to allow public services to continue, to allow industry to function, to allow the economy to recover.

That’s why you should wear your fucking mask.

WouldBeGood · 19/07/2021 17:15

Very aggressive, lots of these pro mask types.

munchbunch12 · 19/07/2021 17:18

Here is the full report that a PP mentioned, where Dr Colin Axon gives his views on cloth face masks. He comes at it from an engineering point of view, rather than medical.

*"Standard face coverings are just "comfort blankets" that do little to reduce the spread of Covid particles, a scientist advising Sage on ventilation has said.

Dr Colin Axon, who has advised the government on minimising the risk of cross-infection in supermarkets, accused medics of presenting a "cartoonish" view of how how tiny particles travel through the air.

He warned some cloth masks have gaps which are invisible to the naked eye, but are 500,000 times the size of viral Covid particles.

"The small sizes are not easily understood but an imperfect analogy would be to imagine marbles fired at builders' scaffolding, some might hit a pole and rebound, but obviously most will fly through," he told The Telegraph.

The mask debate has been reignited this week after the Government published 'Freedom Day' guidance recommending their continued use. It led to Sadiq Khan, the Mayor of London, enforcing their continued use on the London Underground.

Dr Axon said the public need to be offered a wider view of the science behind face masks, rather than the "partial view" of information being pushed by medics over their effectiveness.
'Medics have a cartoonish view of how the world is'

"Medics have this cartoonised view of how particles move through the air - it's not their fault, it's not their domain - they've got a cartoonish view of how the world is," he said.

"Once a particle is not on a biological surface it is no longer a biomedical issue, it is simply about physics. The public has only a partial view of the story if information only comes from one type of source. Medics have some of the answers but not a whole view."

Dr Axon, Brunel University's senior lecturer in engineering, said that the true mechanisms involved are best evaluated through science.

"When the particle enters another body it returns to a biomedical issue but the mask debate is about the particle journey," he said.

"Masks can catch droplets and sputum from a cough but what is important is that SARS CoV-2 is predominantly distributed by tiny aerosols."

Dr Axon said that medics were "unable to comprehend" the miniscule elements at play, adding: "A Covid viral particle is around 100 nanometres, material gaps in blue surgical masks are up to 1,000 times that size, cloth mask gaps can be 500,000 times the size."

Dr Axon, whose report on ventilation in supermarkets was used by both Nervtag and Sage to aid decisions, says that medics "cannot have it both ways" over asymptomatic spread.

He added: "Not everyone carrying Covid is coughing, but they are still breathing, those aerosols escape masks and will render the mask ineffective."

Droplets from coughs are much larger, and more likely to be stopped by a properly used mask, Dr Axon says. An Oxford study last summer concluded that masks were "effective" in reducing the spread of the virus.
'We are entrenching bad behaviour'

However, other studies have cast doubt on their effectiveness. A subsequent Danish study involving 6,000 people concluded that there was no statistical difference in infection spread in non-wearers, while data on US states with non-mandated usage failed to show a correlated uptick in cases.

"The public were demanding something must be done, they got masks, it is just a comfort blanket," Dr Axon noted. "But now it is entrenched, and we are entrenching bad behaviour.

"All around the world you can look at mask mandates and superimpose on infection rates, you cannot see that mask mandates made any effect whatsoever.

"The best thing you can say about any mask is that any positive effect they do have is too small to be measured."*

swimlyn · 19/07/2021 17:18

The average gaps in the weave of the fabric of a mask are 500,000 times larger than a virus

What BS! Grin

Bryonyshcmyony · 19/07/2021 17:19

They are all a salaried and paid full pay for up to several months’ sick leave really?!

OFFREDOFFSTUART · 19/07/2021 17:20

I think that we all have a responsibility to keep other people safe; which is why I will continue to wear a mask in shops etc...
At my local Sainsburys today there were 3 men not wearing a mask. I wanted to say something to them, but chose to avoid the aggro...

Sheisfee · 19/07/2021 17:21

Wow, all the vulnerable have been offered jabs?! That doesn’t mean that they’ve been fucking vaccinated.
Only 1 3rd of all pregnant women in the UK have taken up the vaccination because of scaremongering bullshit that has been spread and obviously because our government is absolutely shit.
Not all vulnerable people are protected yet and a lot of those are growing innocent little babies in their belly so if a shop keeper asks you to put a mask on then just fucking put it on instead of acting like you’re so fucking important.
To those who have said that vulnerable people should be grateful for everything that strong healthy people have given up for them I say only this 🖕

hamsterchump · 19/07/2021 17:21

@MrsTulipTattsyrup Do you et al here really think that swearing and berating people and calling them selfish over and over and over (despite the huge amount of sacrifices we've all made thank you very much, I wish I never bothered tbh) is going to get them to do what you want? Seriously? Has this ever worked? All you do is drive people against you more, I'm amazed you can't see that, it actually blows my mind. All you do with your impotent screaming into the void is upset yourself, it has less than 0 effect on me, I care not one jot about you, as you and others like you have shown you care nothing for anyone suffering from anything other than Covid.

Bryonyshcmyony · 19/07/2021 17:21

@OFFREDOFFSTUART

I think that we all have a responsibility to keep other people safe; which is why I will continue to wear a mask in shops etc... At my local Sainsburys today there were 3 men not wearing a mask. I wanted to say something to them, but chose to avoid the aggro...
Why on earth would you say anything to them?
hamsterchump · 19/07/2021 17:23

@Sheisfee That's their own look out then, if they don't want to listen to medical advice and get the jab then they'll need to take whatever steps they make up in their heads to protect themselves. They've had the opportunity and refused, they're big girls it's up to them. I've no sympathy for those who get themselves brainwashed by conspiracy theorists, sucks to be them I guess.

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Sheisfee · 19/07/2021 17:26

@hamsterchump even the women who have been fighting for their vaccination during pregnancy haven’t had both yet. 3rd trimester is dangerous for mum and baby but yeah, carry on thinking about yourself.

MrsTulipTattsyrup · 19/07/2021 17:28

@Bryonyshcmyony

They are all a salaried and paid full pay for up to several months’ sick leave really?!
Yes. Public sector rules means this applies if properly certificated and valid. People get cancer, have heart attacks, break limbs which take 12 weeks in plaster so they can’t do site visits etc; all sorts that need extended sick leave. Would they just be sacked in the private sector?
WouldBeGood · 19/07/2021 17:28

@OFFREDOFFSTUART

I think that we all have a responsibility to keep other people safe; which is why I will continue to wear a mask in shops etc... At my local Sainsburys today there were 3 men not wearing a mask. I wanted to say something to them, but chose to avoid the aggro...
It has nothing to do with you if they’re not wearing a mask.
MostlyMaple · 19/07/2021 17:30

@WouldBeGood

Very aggressive, lots of these pro mask types.
My thoughts too.
MrsTulipTattsyrup · 19/07/2021 17:31

[quote hamsterchump]@MrsTulipTattsyrup Do you et al here really think that swearing and berating people and calling them selfish over and over and over (despite the huge amount of sacrifices we've all made thank you very much, I wish I never bothered tbh) is going to get them to do what you want? Seriously? Has this ever worked? All you do is drive people against you more, I'm amazed you can't see that, it actually blows my mind. All you do with your impotent screaming into the void is upset yourself, it has less than 0 effect on me, I care not one jot about you, as you and others like you have shown you care nothing for anyone suffering from anything other than Covid.[/quote]
I am an adult and used one swear word in a long post. If that’s the bit you disagree with in what I’ve said, then clearly setting out the facts is working.

And you have no idea about me. I have had to watch family members die and be buried during this without being able to say goodbye. I have had to deal with my own family members being investigated, diagnosed and treated for cancer during Covid. I had a breakdown and have been seriously ill myself, and treated brilliantly by the NHS through this. And I am still wearing a mask to protect other people.

want2bemum · 19/07/2021 17:33

@Frittataz

I wouldn’t be at all unpleasant I’d simply remind them that face masks are no longer legally enforceable. Or would it be better if I lied and told them I’m exempt? As either way from today I won’t be wearing masks except for in clinical settings.
If somebody owns a shop then they get to say what happens upon their premises. If you refuse to wear a mask then they can refuse you entry, because they are the owners of the shop. It's up to them.
newnamenellie · 19/07/2021 17:33

I’ve just been into my local Tesco Extra s as I’d most people, myself included, we’re wearing masks. I was totally judging those who weren’t. Sorry but what are you wanting to prove/gain by not wearing one? I also noticed that it was mostly men in their 20s and 30s who were maskless. I assume it’s some macho arrogance.

1WayOrAnother2 · 19/07/2021 17:34

Yes - the law now allows you to take the masks off.

However most of us haven't been putting them on to please the government/ law-makers.

Yes - it isn't fair that we have had to wear them. They do take the pleasure from things.

However - you are no safer this week than you were last.

The number of people in clubs etc. might make you feel that you should be just as free as them
However -their actions should probably make us all MORE inclined to wear masks. There will be much more Corona virus out there already.

IntermittentParps · 19/07/2021 17:36

We have to learn to live with it now. Just be careful and keep your distance if you're worried
I didn't say I was worried about me. Perhaps you're deliberately missing my point.
Anyone could get the virus, be asymptomatic and pass it to someone who could develop symptoms and be very ill with them.

midsomermurderess · 19/07/2021 17:36

Why not just do it? What is the point of this? So, you don't mind being judged, then start a thread, a surly thread, on which you know you'll be judged. Utterly pointless behaviour which does you no favours at all in terms of how you come across. And I will extrapolate from that to a judgment about you.

1WayOrAnother2 · 19/07/2021 17:37

(Of course masks are not a perfect defence... but every little helps and it really is only a little problem to wear them.)

unwuthering · 19/07/2021 17:39

I care not one jot about you

Oh, that's abundantly clear. It shines through every childishly defiant post from the strange new breed of people this pandemic has exposed.

southeastdweller · 19/07/2021 17:41

I thoroughly enjoyed being out today with no crappy mask. Four bus journeys, two small shops and two supermarkets and - shocker of the year so hold to those pearls - nobody challenged me.

Nanny0gg · 19/07/2021 17:42

@Vintagevixen

Ditching mine - well not a mask, I always just knotted a thin silk scarf around my face - with relief and wherever possible.

Will carry my scarf for those places that insist.

Ooh! You rebel!