Reporting someone for failing to isolate

[WouldYouShouldI]

Under what circumstances would you report someone for failing to isolate? Would you report any breach, no breach, or would it depend on circumstances?

I've been told by a friend that a family member of theirs (should be isolating because someone they live with has tested positive) is not isolating, and is even going out to work- and they work with vulnerable people in a medical environment!

Should I report them regardless of the possible consequences on my friend (who will be blamed if they get caught)? Or encourage my friend to do the same, again despite the consequences?

I'm torn!

This is what happened in communist Russia, neighbours snitching on each other to the authorities! A lot of people ended up serving prison sentences which were unjust. Personally I’d not get involved you don’t know the circumstances.

@jihhy

Some of the comments on this thread are a bit odd.

"Do you stay in all flu season too? Also a virus that kills many, many people and puts the NHS on its knees every single winter and is undetectable in many. Or are you only scared of viruses yore told to be scared of?"

I don't understand the comparison between flu season & having to self isolate. My dc have yet again just finished another round of self isolate/off school. I didn't have any choice in the matter.

Because flu is also a virus that affects some, doesn't affects others and kills many people. But there's never been an isolation requirement for flu, and I can't imagine people get so angry about reporting people when people get on the bus in December coughing and spluttering trying to be a martyr by going to work anyway.

People are only getting cross because they've been fed the narrative that COVID is something to get angry about

@m0therofdragons

I’m so glad that my rl experiences are not like those I see on here! All my friends and work colleagues isolate when needed. Maybe because I work in a hospital, if a colleague came in when they should be isolating without a risk assessment that would be a disciplinary - not only are they putting patients at risk but could take out a load of staff for 10 days meaning we’d be unable to provide safe care. The number of staff currently isolating already means we’re working below required numbers on the wards. People’s desire not to “dob” someone in being greater than the risk of someone dying is mad. I mean, so long as you’re in the cool gang hey

Hospital leaders want the government to allow double-jabbed hospital staff to avoid close contact isolation because staffing levels are so low in places. If they think that’s ok…

I really shouldn't have to point this out, but the Nazi informants were based on things like people harborouring Jews, anti-Nazi sentiment, communist activity, not submitting to the fascist regime. It was political and it was about getting people into trouble and potentially sent to concentration camps. Horrendous and terrifying.

The "reporting" that OP is talking about here is about trying to protect vulnerable people in our community from catching a nasty virus which would kill them, because someone they know is behaving in a dangerous way

Do you think that the Nazi party said to people "grass please so we can send them all off to die" or do you think perhaps people were spun a different story along the lines of "this is good for the nation"?

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

I really shouldn't have to point this out, but the Nazi informants were based on things like people harborouring Jews, anti-Nazi sentiment, communist activity, not submitting to the fascist regime. It was political and it was about getting people into trouble and potentially sent to concentration camps. Horrendous and terrifying.

The "reporting" that OP is talking about here is about trying to protect vulnerable people in our community from catching a nasty virus which would kill them, because someone they know is behaving in a dangerous way

Do you think that the Nazi party said to people "grass please so we can send them all off to die" or do you think perhaps people were spun a different story along the lines of "this is good for the nation"?

Read a book I'm begging you

No we just care if people die unnecessary??

I really hate this catastrophising attitude.

Tell me when you cared before COVID about people dying unnecessarily?

Did you isolate all winter lest you get the flu virus and pass it on?

Did you report every person, including family and friends, you knew were speeding?

If you've ever taken drugs (and I know a huge amount of MNers have and still do), or even hear of someone being a drug dealer, did you report them to the police immediately?

All the above very much lead to people dying unnecessarily. But what annoys me is that people who make out they care only do now because it's quite an easy win isn't it - I stay indoors therefore I save lives and others don't so they contribute to deaths.

Boring, busybody virtue signalling. I cannot wait for it all to end, and everyone can go back to being unremarkable

Do you think that the Nazi party said to people "grass please so we can send them all off to die" or do you think perhaps people were spun a different story along the lines of "this is good for the nation"?

Why do you think so many denunciations were personally motivated? Because people were hoping good stuff happened to the person that pissed them off?

We are the only country currently taking this "let it rip" approach. We've been widely denounced by major organisations and other governments as immoral and stupid for this.

No we are really, really not

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

No we just care if people die unnecessary??

I really hate this catastrophising attitude.

Tell me when you cared before COVID about people dying unnecessarily?

Did you isolate all winter lest you get the flu virus and pass it on?

Did you report every person, including family and friends, you knew were speeding?

If you've ever taken drugs (and I know a huge amount of MNers have and still do), or even hear of someone being a drug dealer, did you report them to the police immediately?

All the above very much lead to people dying unnecessarily. But what annoys me is that people who make out they care only do now because it's quite an easy win isn't it - I stay indoors therefore I save lives and others don't so they contribute to deaths.

Boring, busybody virtue signalling. I cannot wait for it all to end, and everyone can go back to being unremarkable

I have always cared about people dying, I'm sorry if you haven't I guess?

Yes any time I have a flu or a cold I would absolutely stay at home, that's how I was brought up. But covid is not comparable to the flu anyway and I'm sick of the comparison being made.

No I've never taken drugs. I don't know any drug dealers. Again, if that applies to you then I think it says more of you than anyone else.

Just admit you're selfish and go

People are only getting cross because they've been fed the narrative that COVID is something to get angry about

But we are living during a time when Covid has required schools to close & people to wfh, self isolated if contacted, you can't have big weddings, etc. Whether you think that's unnecessary because covid is just like the flu & we don't do the above things for the flu is a separate point to the OP.

There should be isolation pay that employers pay and claim back from the government. IMO it should be full pay each time someone isolates.

Thing is, that's completely financially unviable and would be easy to abuse too

No, mind your own business.

@Cam2020

Of course those “we’re no better than the Nazis” criers would be the FIRST to scream and shout and sue if their loved one died or was extremely ill in this situation. 100% shit for brains when the replies are Carry on curtain twitching hun same shit fir brains who were probably smashing pans every week for the NHS but now they’ve “had enough”. Shame it doesn’t target these morons.

While we're in tbe subject of 'shut for brains', how intelligent would you be to report someone on hearsay? Few poters seem to be able to grasp that part. Do you think he said/she said gossip is credible enough to 'report' someone on?

Indeed.

I didn't bang pans or even clap and I also don't think death is something unnatural or offensive so whilst I'd be sad I'd accept death is part of life and wouldn't 'rage' or similar.

Honestly some people

People still don’t realise that COVID is the most serious illness Europe and the US has dealt with for several generations.

The fact that its effects are variable does not change this. The facts are the facts.

Deliberately risking infecting vulnerable people with COVID is no different from screwing around without protection, knowing you have HIV, something people should also report.

Note from LBC- website

But the requirement to self-isolate if pinged by the NHS Covid app is not law.

It’s government guidance.

There’s an important difference between the two.

In the context of most Covid laws, if you breach them, you can be fined. But with guidance, although it’s recommended that people it, there's no legal penalty if you choose not to.

So, if you're pinged by the app, there is no legal obligation to self-isolate.

Government guidance encourages you to do so. But there is no criminal offence committed if you don't.

The relevant law is regulation 2 of The Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (Self-Isolation) (England) Regulations 2020.

@FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop

There should be isolation pay that employers pay and claim back from the government. IMO it should be full pay each time someone isolates.

Thing is, that's completely financially unviable and would be easy to abuse too

It's financially unviable at the moment with people constantly having to miss out on work, though.

And the current system is also being abused by people refusing to isolate as they can't afford to.

@jihhy

absolutely but it also may not be

But don't let that get in the way of a good judge.

We don't know the circumstances. She could be allowed to work as long as she produced a negative test. She could be on her fourth or fifth required isolation this year and maybe she can't afford anymore. Who knows.

I have always cared about people dying, I'm sorry if you haven't I guess?

Really? All people? What form did this caring take? What did you do to show you cared.

Yes any time I have a flu or a cold I would absolutely stay at home, that's how I was brought up. But covid is not comparable to the flu anyway and I'm sick of the comparison being made.

Again really? Every sniffle meant you stayed home. I don’t believe you.

Bugger bold didn’t work on the second quote!

@TheReluctantPhoenix

People still don’t realise that COVID is the most serious illness Europe and the US has dealt with for several generations.

The fact that its effects are variable does not change this. The facts are the facts.

Deliberately risking infecting vulnerable people with COVID is no different from screwing around without protection, knowing you have HIV, something people should also report.

I think we may have noticed!

A child at my dd’s school did not isolate when there sibling tested positive, it resulted in half the school having to isolate when he then tested positive, if he had isolated then all those kids wouldn’t have had to miss out on yet another week of school?

An exaggeration surely? It would've only taken out his class/year group at worst. Schools are very good at narrowing isolation requirements now.

We must move to a position of daily LFT and continue about your business. This will enable assistance to be given to employees that cannot WFH. It will enable kids to resume education.

There are at least 3 posters I have counted on this thread participating in such trials. This must be the way forward.

To the question, would I report? Absolutely not when I have no direct knowledge of the circumstances.

"Reporting" is absolutely the top MN hobby.

Well attitudes on here show exactly why cases are rising, i say this as a double vax who has just tested positive and yes the household is isolating as that is the responsible thing to do so we don't pass it on.

Reporting" is absolutely the top MN hobby

Very true.

I’m pretty sure that if you report someone you get a special stamp to put in your Covid Dibbers Annual AND a gold badge. Can someone confirm? I’d love to collect the whole set!

@StepAwayFromTheEcclesCakes

If you were contacted to participate in the trial of daily LFT and go about your essential business, would yup agree?

Sorry you are all shut up, and hope your +ve case feels better soon.