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To say DH’s brother can’t stay.

148 replies

Martz · 16/07/2021 18:38

Please excuse grammar and formatting, I’m on a mobile phone.

Am I being unreasonable to say that DH’s brother can’t stay at our house? BIL (27) is on the autistic spectrum, although he’s very much independent, holds down a job and takes himself off to music festivals/to other cities as/when he wants to go. PIL bought a house for him and he stays there sometimes, and other times stays with them. PIL are going away for the night and it’s been decided that BIL will stay with us for the night (neither DH or I were asked, we were just told by PIL that’s what was happening).

We have a 3 bedroom house- one room is ours, the second bedroom DC’s room (although he doesn’t sleep in it yet but it has all his nursery furniture in already so no room for anybody to stay), and the smallest room is used as a dressing room. We therefore don’t have a spare bed for him or any room to really put a bed.

He’s openly admitted he’s jealous of DC since their birth, we tried to facilitate some bonding so BIL didn’t feel left out because of a new baby coming into the family, but all it did was make BIL think that he could do as he pleased with DC and this has now caused issues in him becoming quite confrontational and angry towards us when he can’t sit holding DC all the time. He often makes jokes about accidentally dropping DC on their head, or other references to DC sustaining an “accidental injury”- which I don’t find funny and sometimes wonder if there’s an actual spiteful undertone to his “joke” as he’s said it a few times now. He also seems to find it amusing to stick his fingers in DC’s mouth, despite being asked not to on several occasions. DC is 3 months old and therefore nowhere near being weaned yet, however, BIL will often offer food to DC and just last week attempted to feed them some curry- again he’s been asked not to do this and it has been explained to him why he shouldn’t. BIL is now never left unsupervised with DC.

As we don’t have a spare bedroom for him to sleep in, he’d therefore have to sleep on the sofa. He stays awake all night watching TV and then doesn’t get up until late-afternoon. He becomes nasty and will push people if he can’t get his own way, and doesn’t like being woken up. We have to walk through the living room to get to the kitchen, so he will be disturbed in the morning. We also have a dog which sleeps downstairs, however he’s been quite nasty to the dog in the past and on several occasions I’ve had to talk to him about how he treats the dog. He’s kicked the dog in the past, he shouts at it, and pushes it out of the way. We let the dog sit on our sofa, but he doesn’t like this so will often push it off the sofa and then shout in its face or make loud noises to scare it from getting back on the sofa- which is completely unacceptable and the poor dog doesn’t understand what’s happening. As I say, I’ve spoken with him about this in the past, but issues with his behaviour continue to repeat themselves. I’m therefore not comfortable leaving him unsupervised with the dog at any time, and especially not while we’re upstairs asleep. We can’t let the dog sleep upstairs with us as it’s an old dog now and struggles with stairs. It also likes to potter around at night which wakes us up. This is why it sleeps downstairs as it’s a lot happier doing it’s own thing, and we get some sleep.

BIL’s moods are very much up/down. In the past he has punched holes in walls, run away or thrown things in anger if he hasn’t liked something that someone has said/done. He hasn’t done this for a few months now however.

I realise it looks like I’m painting BIL in a bad light, but this is how he behaves. It can become quite draining having to monitor his behaviour and treading on eggshells so as not to say/do anything that would upset him and trigger outbursts. I’m happy having him over to visit as there’s a time limit to it and if we can see he’s getting agitated, my DH will take him for a drive to calm down before dropping him back home. Some times he can visit and be absolutely fine, and he can be a pleasure to be around. Despite the issues I’ve mentioned, we do get on with him and do enjoy his company when he’s having a settled day. However, when he’s unsettled he’s really difficult to manage. We already know he will be unsettled and angsty due to PIL being away- as he often is.

DH has another brother who lives nearby (older BIL), he doesn’t have much time for younger BIL and says he feels his behaviour issues mainly stem from PIL spoiling him and giving in to his demands. However, I feel he may be a more suitable option for younger BIL as he and his partner have a spare bedroom and don’t have pets or children. The other option is that DH stays with younger BIL out of our house at the younger BIL’s house or at PIL’s house.

WIBU if I say BIL cannot stay? or should I just get on with it as it’s only for one night?

OP posts:
DrinkFeckArseBrick · 16/07/2021 18:41

If he cant be left alone and your husband is ok with it I'd say he go and stay with him at their parents house. It sounds like he is hard work and they could probably do with a break and they probably wont get this if they are worrying about BiL so I'd do this for their sake

Zarene · 16/07/2021 18:43

God no you’re not unreasonable. There is no way I’d have him to stay, even if I did have room.

If he’s able to stay on his own, he does. If he’s not, then someone needs to help, but (especially with a tiny one), that person is not you.

Feelingmardy · 16/07/2021 18:43

You would not be unreasonable at all. If your did want to look after him could he stay at his brother's for the night?

Whoscoatsthatjacket · 16/07/2021 18:44

No chance would he be staying with me! YANBU x

Sunbird24 · 16/07/2021 18:44

No, with all those examples of his behaviour YANBU. Either older BIL has him or one of the brothers goes and stays the night with him at PILs. DH also needs to tell his parents that they can’t just decide these things without talking to you both!

GetTaeFuck · 16/07/2021 18:46

He can’t be left alone with your baby.
He can’t be left alone with your dog.

Obviously the answer is no.

Mayra1367 · 16/07/2021 18:46

Definitely keep him away from your baby .
I wouldn’t care what issues he has , he sounds dangerous to your baby .

WavesAndLeaves · 16/07/2021 18:48

Why can't he stay in his own house?? No way should he stay with you

PurpleSunrise · 16/07/2021 18:48

No way would I have him stay, your DH will have to agree another option

NightOwl19 · 16/07/2021 18:48

In your OP you say he stays alone sometimes so why can't he stay alone now? If your PIL aren't happy about this they need to stay with him it's as simple as that, they don't get to make decisions for other people and should have asked your and DH and not just decided it is what you will do.

Jumpingintosummer · 16/07/2021 18:48

YANBU. I would suggest your DH go to him or indeed another sibling

Calmyertits · 16/07/2021 18:48

Go to the older brothers or at his own place that has been bought for him hes quite capable to stay in any other time?

If you want to meet half way, what if he came over for a takeaway/bbq or something for dinner and your DH takes him back home to his own house after

takealettermsjones · 16/07/2021 18:50

I understand he's got issues and it's up to DH whether he wants to go and stay with BIL for the night but absolutely no way would he be in my house, or anywhere near my child or dog.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2021 18:50

Of course he can't be allowed to stay. He is a danger to your baby and your dog. No fucking way. He can stay on his own, in his own home, or your husband can stay at his.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 16/07/2021 18:51

He has his own perfectly good house - he can go and stay there.

It is not safe for him to be left unsupervised around your baby or your dog - I don’t understand why his parents think it is remotely OK to foist him on you, given the things he has done to the baby and the dog, and the threatening ‘jokes’ he has made. Don’t they care about their grandchild’s safety?

If your PIL and Dh insist on him coming, @Martz, I’d advise you to move out with the dog and the baby - perhaps to your BIL’s house.

WhiskersPete · 16/07/2021 18:51

You let someone who kicked your dog into your house?! Nevermind the baby.

Halfwaytoholiday · 16/07/2021 18:52

So he has his own house, and is used to staying in it alone? Why can't he do that?
I don't think you are being unreasonable, if he needs some support your dh staying with him sounds fine, don't use the argument that you don't have a spare room though when you've a three bed house! Kicking your dog and feeding your small baby? No chance.

catzrulz · 16/07/2021 18:52

Ah, time for the old MN favourite... No is a complete sentence.
Not a chance I'd be having him round, never mind to stay if he's like that with the dog.

CastawayQueen · 16/07/2021 18:52

He’s a disabled adult.
You’re not responsible for him at all.
PIL can hire a carer if he’s a danger to himself but for the love of god please put your foot down.

Cocolapew · 16/07/2021 18:52

Maybe I've read it wrong, but why can't he stay in his own house?

AnotherDayAnotherCake · 16/07/2021 18:53

TL didn’t finish it all but the word ‘No’ is your friend here.

Choconuttolata · 16/07/2021 18:53

I would get DH to stay with him at either his or PIL house as that is his familiar environment and it avoids the stress and risk to you and baby.

PersonaNonGarter · 16/07/2021 18:54

Well - I mean - absolutely no.

messybun101 · 16/07/2021 18:55

Say no. And that's all you need to say

YANBU and do not let anyone guilt trip you into thinking you are.
Your baby and the safety of your baby stays your priority. This is not your problem whatsoever

CastawayQueen · 16/07/2021 18:56

Also to add - if he can go to festivals on his own why can’t he stay alone?!?!?

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