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AIBU?

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To say DH’s brother can’t stay.

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Martz · 16/07/2021 18:38

Please excuse grammar and formatting, I’m on a mobile phone.

Am I being unreasonable to say that DH’s brother can’t stay at our house? BIL (27) is on the autistic spectrum, although he’s very much independent, holds down a job and takes himself off to music festivals/to other cities as/when he wants to go. PIL bought a house for him and he stays there sometimes, and other times stays with them. PIL are going away for the night and it’s been decided that BIL will stay with us for the night (neither DH or I were asked, we were just told by PIL that’s what was happening).

We have a 3 bedroom house- one room is ours, the second bedroom DC’s room (although he doesn’t sleep in it yet but it has all his nursery furniture in already so no room for anybody to stay), and the smallest room is used as a dressing room. We therefore don’t have a spare bed for him or any room to really put a bed.

He’s openly admitted he’s jealous of DC since their birth, we tried to facilitate some bonding so BIL didn’t feel left out because of a new baby coming into the family, but all it did was make BIL think that he could do as he pleased with DC and this has now caused issues in him becoming quite confrontational and angry towards us when he can’t sit holding DC all the time. He often makes jokes about accidentally dropping DC on their head, or other references to DC sustaining an “accidental injury”- which I don’t find funny and sometimes wonder if there’s an actual spiteful undertone to his “joke” as he’s said it a few times now. He also seems to find it amusing to stick his fingers in DC’s mouth, despite being asked not to on several occasions. DC is 3 months old and therefore nowhere near being weaned yet, however, BIL will often offer food to DC and just last week attempted to feed them some curry- again he’s been asked not to do this and it has been explained to him why he shouldn’t. BIL is now never left unsupervised with DC.

As we don’t have a spare bedroom for him to sleep in, he’d therefore have to sleep on the sofa. He stays awake all night watching TV and then doesn’t get up until late-afternoon. He becomes nasty and will push people if he can’t get his own way, and doesn’t like being woken up. We have to walk through the living room to get to the kitchen, so he will be disturbed in the morning. We also have a dog which sleeps downstairs, however he’s been quite nasty to the dog in the past and on several occasions I’ve had to talk to him about how he treats the dog. He’s kicked the dog in the past, he shouts at it, and pushes it out of the way. We let the dog sit on our sofa, but he doesn’t like this so will often push it off the sofa and then shout in its face or make loud noises to scare it from getting back on the sofa- which is completely unacceptable and the poor dog doesn’t understand what’s happening. As I say, I’ve spoken with him about this in the past, but issues with his behaviour continue to repeat themselves. I’m therefore not comfortable leaving him unsupervised with the dog at any time, and especially not while we’re upstairs asleep. We can’t let the dog sleep upstairs with us as it’s an old dog now and struggles with stairs. It also likes to potter around at night which wakes us up. This is why it sleeps downstairs as it’s a lot happier doing it’s own thing, and we get some sleep.

BIL’s moods are very much up/down. In the past he has punched holes in walls, run away or thrown things in anger if he hasn’t liked something that someone has said/done. He hasn’t done this for a few months now however.

I realise it looks like I’m painting BIL in a bad light, but this is how he behaves. It can become quite draining having to monitor his behaviour and treading on eggshells so as not to say/do anything that would upset him and trigger outbursts. I’m happy having him over to visit as there’s a time limit to it and if we can see he’s getting agitated, my DH will take him for a drive to calm down before dropping him back home. Some times he can visit and be absolutely fine, and he can be a pleasure to be around. Despite the issues I’ve mentioned, we do get on with him and do enjoy his company when he’s having a settled day. However, when he’s unsettled he’s really difficult to manage. We already know he will be unsettled and angsty due to PIL being away- as he often is.

DH has another brother who lives nearby (older BIL), he doesn’t have much time for younger BIL and says he feels his behaviour issues mainly stem from PIL spoiling him and giving in to his demands. However, I feel he may be a more suitable option for younger BIL as he and his partner have a spare bedroom and don’t have pets or children. The other option is that DH stays with younger BIL out of our house at the younger BIL’s house or at PIL’s house.

WIBU if I say BIL cannot stay? or should I just get on with it as it’s only for one night?

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AGirlCalledJohnny · 16/07/2021 19:42

I wouldn't give a toss if my DH knew I didn't like or trust my BIL (I don't and he does). It's completely unacceptable for your family to be upended like this. I understand his parents need a break, and in order for them to enjoy it, they need peace of mind. But the fuck that's your problem, and it certainly should not be presented as a fait accompli.

If DH is happy to, he needs to spend the night with him. You've a 3mo who trumps every one else in this scenario. You think you feel guilty now? Imagine if he hurt your child or dog because you didn't want to offend anyone. Foot. Down.

TopTabby · 16/07/2021 19:50

No way.
Sometimes somebody who isn't an immediate family member can see the real problems.
Family are saying it's just his way of joking but he's threatening a baby & has behaved unkindly towards a dog. So it isn't a joke & of course you're worried.
Stand firm from now, set firm boundaries & spell it out to dh.

Martz · 16/07/2021 19:51

@AGirlCalledJohnny

I wouldn't give a toss if my DH knew I didn't like or trust my BIL (I don't and he does). It's completely unacceptable for your family to be upended like this. I understand his parents need a break, and in order for them to enjoy it, they need peace of mind. But the fuck that's your problem, and it certainly should not be presented as a fait accompli.

If DH is happy to, he needs to spend the night with him. You've a 3mo who trumps every one else in this scenario. You think you feel guilty now? Imagine if he hurt your child or dog because you didn't want to offend anyone. Foot. Down.

Thanks everyone, I didn’t think I was being unreasonable but I’m glad this has confirmed it.

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head with the last part of your comment. I’d rather feel guilty for pissing off DH and PIL than any harm come to DC… or the dog for that matter.

I’m going to suggest DH goes to stay with BIL elsewhere, if he doesn’t like the suggestion or refuses, then I’ll organise to stay at my parents with DC and the dog for the night.

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doodleZ1 · 16/07/2021 19:56

I can't believe what you've written. Talking about dropping the baby, kicking the dog, feeding a baby curry? No way would he be staying overnight if it was me. I feel angry in fact incensed for you. Especially if neither you or your husband were actually asked. Has this happened before? What world is that when someone else decides who is staying with you in your house? Your husband stays with him for the night and he says to his parents why that's happening ie this isn't safe for either the baby or the dog or indeed yourselves. You are not his babysitters and this could be the start of it. Otherwise what are you going to do, not sleep in case he does something to your child or dog? If your husband has a bad time staying with his brother at the brothers house maybe he will be less inclined to put up with it if it happens again. You are starting out on your own life don't take this on. Don't accept other people standards either, if this man makes you uncomfortable listen to your instincts. I would be telling my husband that he needs to talk to his parents about boundaries and the need to have other ways of dealing with this if they need a break as you need your own space.

NoSquirrels · 16/07/2021 20:00

I wouldn’t have anyone staying overnight in my house who posed a threat to my children or animals. It’s not a joke, is it? I mean, if you’re looking to excuse bad behaviour on the basis of not being NT, autism spectrum is usually characterised by being very literal, not joking…

LibrariesGiveUsPower45321 · 16/07/2021 20:01

No way. With jokes like that I wouldn’t even let him hold my baby.

MrsBobDylan · 16/07/2021 20:05

Fgs don't facilitate this by sending dh to stay with him or going to stay with your parents.

What the fuck are your PiL thinking? If they haven't managed to sort BiL's violent outbursts by the age of 27 or go away for the night, then they need to arrange sheltered accommodation for him.

I have a disabled son and would never, and have never, allowed my caring responsibility to impinge on my other children or on anyone else who isn't paid to deal with him.

Just say no.

Darbs76 · 16/07/2021 20:07

Can’t your husband just go and stay with him for one night?

Passmethefrazzles · 16/07/2021 20:07

Absolutely no way would I agree to this. In this situation his autism is completely irrelevant, his behaviour is too problematic to be absorbed into your family life. This is your home, your child’s home, your dog’s home. These are your priorities. He is not entirely helpless and can manage on his own. If his parents feel, rightly or wrongly that he can’t be left then they don’t go or take him with them. They do not get to pass the responsibility to you.
The dog alone takes priority let alone the safety of your child. Please stand firm and say no.

frigglerock · 16/07/2021 20:09

He has a house of his own? He can stay there, or your DH can stay with him. It's too bad if your DH thinks you don't like his brother, but it sounds like he can be very demanding and unpleasant. If BIL is capable of living on his own for a night, he should be encouraged to do so.

What will happen when your PIL pass away or even just become too elderly or unwell to let things continue as they have? Will your husband be expected to step in and take their place, even if BIL is actually capable of living on his own? In your place, I wouldn't want to set any precedents that could lead to BIL looking to your home as his own and you and DH as his new "carers"...

I know it's only one night (this time), but I'd be very annoyed with PIL for sending BIL to you without even asking if it's alright!

Ambo21 · 16/07/2021 20:09

He is PIL'S son and responsibilty and I hope they have made arrangements for his welfare when they are no longer here. He should not be his siblings responsibility..sorry but thats how I feel.. .. Therefore the parents should be making arrangements for him in their absence...not delegating care to his sibling who is entitled to a life of his own.

NO WAY would I be allowing him anywhere near my child OR my dog.

Passmethefrazzles · 16/07/2021 20:10

Oh and by the way, you’re not obliged to like him, you are very kind to tolerate as much of his company as you do.

Youdiditanyway · 16/07/2021 20:13

No way. He has his own house so either your DH or other BIL can stay with him there.

bigbaggyeyes · 16/07/2021 20:14

I think you're doing the right thing op. Your dh stays away with bil, or you, baby abs dog stay elsewhere.

frigglerock · 16/07/2021 20:16

Also agree that you don't have to like someone just because you're related by blood or marriage. His being autistic doesn't excuse his behaviour or make him automatically likeable, either!

No, I probably wouldn't like someone who I had to walk on eggshells around and couldn't trust not to hurt my dog or my baby!

TheVamoosh · 16/07/2021 20:24

He often makes jokes about accidentally dropping DC on their head, or other references to DC sustaining an “accidental injury”

This made me feel a bit sick. You have to protect your baby. Everything else is secondary.

Binglebong · 16/07/2021 20:28

To be honest I surprised you have him in the house at all. You said that one brother think it's down to his being spoilt rather than his autism. If you make rules - "if you feed Dbaby food, if you yell at the dog etc then you have to leave immediately" what happens? Because it sounds like the rules need to be put and held in place. Obviously if he is genuinely unable to moderate his behaviour then that is different but you said he is able to travel and hold down a job which suggests he can for the length of a visit.

It would need your DH on board though.

GettingItOutThere · 16/07/2021 20:37

god no, hes a danger to your dog and child! absolutely not.
would not even see him in normal times, especially not leave him potentially unsupervised with a child and dog.

stand firm. not on

Woodmarsh · 16/07/2021 20:38

Nope no way would he be staying and no way should you be going elsewhere. Why on earth should you, your baby, your dog and your parents be inconvenienced that's just ridiculous

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 16/07/2021 20:38

He has viciously harmed your dog and threatened a 3 month old baby,

this has now caused issues in him becoming quite confrontational and angry towards us

Why is there any debate from your DH? Baby's safety is priority.
Say no and tell the PIL exactly why.
They can get advice from his social worker about temporary care if he can't be left alone.

AGirlCalledJohnny · 16/07/2021 20:42

Martz with the best will in the world, why the fuck should three of you leave YOUR OWN HOME to accommodate his selfishness, especially as he already lives between TWO OTHER HOMES?

Don't do it. Mark my words

And your own DH's inability to draw appropriate boundaries? Their other brother seems to have managed it quite fine.

thegirlanachronism · 16/07/2021 20:42

I'm with everyone else in that you should say no to this! And you shouldn't feel bad at all because I can't see how BIL staying with you benefits anyone (except maybe your PIL). If he stays you will rightly be stressed out as he is unsafe to have around your DC and dog and surely your BIL will find the situation stressful too so him staying alone or your DH going to BIL would make more sense all round.

FrogWaa · 16/07/2021 20:44

What's wrong with you not liking his brother? You're not obligated to like someone who acts like a twat to your child and dog.

If he invites him anyway you should tell the bil you don't want him here.

Bollockstothat · 16/07/2021 20:47

Someone who kicked my dog would not set so much as one fucking toe in my house ever again. Glad you're not going to let him stay.

AGirlCalledJohnny · 16/07/2021 20:47

Sorry, hit post early. Mark my words this is the thin end of the wedge and his parents are testing the waters to see how much they can start shunting on to you guys. If you give in now, you're screwed. "But you did it last time, it was fine, he loved staying with you etc etc".

Next thing you know they'll be screwing off for 2 weeks and you're stuck with him. Don't set a precedent here.