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AIBU?

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To say DH’s brother can’t stay.

148 replies

Martz · 16/07/2021 18:38

Please excuse grammar and formatting, I’m on a mobile phone.

Am I being unreasonable to say that DH’s brother can’t stay at our house? BIL (27) is on the autistic spectrum, although he’s very much independent, holds down a job and takes himself off to music festivals/to other cities as/when he wants to go. PIL bought a house for him and he stays there sometimes, and other times stays with them. PIL are going away for the night and it’s been decided that BIL will stay with us for the night (neither DH or I were asked, we were just told by PIL that’s what was happening).

We have a 3 bedroom house- one room is ours, the second bedroom DC’s room (although he doesn’t sleep in it yet but it has all his nursery furniture in already so no room for anybody to stay), and the smallest room is used as a dressing room. We therefore don’t have a spare bed for him or any room to really put a bed.

He’s openly admitted he’s jealous of DC since their birth, we tried to facilitate some bonding so BIL didn’t feel left out because of a new baby coming into the family, but all it did was make BIL think that he could do as he pleased with DC and this has now caused issues in him becoming quite confrontational and angry towards us when he can’t sit holding DC all the time. He often makes jokes about accidentally dropping DC on their head, or other references to DC sustaining an “accidental injury”- which I don’t find funny and sometimes wonder if there’s an actual spiteful undertone to his “joke” as he’s said it a few times now. He also seems to find it amusing to stick his fingers in DC’s mouth, despite being asked not to on several occasions. DC is 3 months old and therefore nowhere near being weaned yet, however, BIL will often offer food to DC and just last week attempted to feed them some curry- again he’s been asked not to do this and it has been explained to him why he shouldn’t. BIL is now never left unsupervised with DC.

As we don’t have a spare bedroom for him to sleep in, he’d therefore have to sleep on the sofa. He stays awake all night watching TV and then doesn’t get up until late-afternoon. He becomes nasty and will push people if he can’t get his own way, and doesn’t like being woken up. We have to walk through the living room to get to the kitchen, so he will be disturbed in the morning. We also have a dog which sleeps downstairs, however he’s been quite nasty to the dog in the past and on several occasions I’ve had to talk to him about how he treats the dog. He’s kicked the dog in the past, he shouts at it, and pushes it out of the way. We let the dog sit on our sofa, but he doesn’t like this so will often push it off the sofa and then shout in its face or make loud noises to scare it from getting back on the sofa- which is completely unacceptable and the poor dog doesn’t understand what’s happening. As I say, I’ve spoken with him about this in the past, but issues with his behaviour continue to repeat themselves. I’m therefore not comfortable leaving him unsupervised with the dog at any time, and especially not while we’re upstairs asleep. We can’t let the dog sleep upstairs with us as it’s an old dog now and struggles with stairs. It also likes to potter around at night which wakes us up. This is why it sleeps downstairs as it’s a lot happier doing it’s own thing, and we get some sleep.

BIL’s moods are very much up/down. In the past he has punched holes in walls, run away or thrown things in anger if he hasn’t liked something that someone has said/done. He hasn’t done this for a few months now however.

I realise it looks like I’m painting BIL in a bad light, but this is how he behaves. It can become quite draining having to monitor his behaviour and treading on eggshells so as not to say/do anything that would upset him and trigger outbursts. I’m happy having him over to visit as there’s a time limit to it and if we can see he’s getting agitated, my DH will take him for a drive to calm down before dropping him back home. Some times he can visit and be absolutely fine, and he can be a pleasure to be around. Despite the issues I’ve mentioned, we do get on with him and do enjoy his company when he’s having a settled day. However, when he’s unsettled he’s really difficult to manage. We already know he will be unsettled and angsty due to PIL being away- as he often is.

DH has another brother who lives nearby (older BIL), he doesn’t have much time for younger BIL and says he feels his behaviour issues mainly stem from PIL spoiling him and giving in to his demands. However, I feel he may be a more suitable option for younger BIL as he and his partner have a spare bedroom and don’t have pets or children. The other option is that DH stays with younger BIL out of our house at the younger BIL’s house or at PIL’s house.

WIBU if I say BIL cannot stay? or should I just get on with it as it’s only for one night?

OP posts:
RogueMnerHidesUnderABigHat · 16/07/2021 18:57

I think one night is doable, yes.

And I'd do it in an emergency.

But you're absolutely not being unreasonable to say no. In your shoes, I would say no (or get dh to). It's unpleasant for everyone and not a good suggestion

I like the idea of your dh going and staying with him

WildfirePonie · 16/07/2021 18:59

Nope, do not let him stay. He sounds dangerous... Can you even relax and sleep if he did stay? I couldn't.

FrogWaa · 16/07/2021 18:59

He can go to festivals but not his house?

No, of course he can't stay and abuse your dog and act horrible to your child.

If dh gets funny about it tell him he can go stay with bil at his place

Martz · 16/07/2021 19:01

I do largely keep him away from the baby, and have told DH how I feel about his behaviour towards DC. It seems that their family thinks this is just his humour and he poses no threat and it’s just his autism that makes him say inappropriate things. Which may be so, I have limited experience of being around anybody with autism so I wouldn’t like to judge harshly- but when it comes to keeping DC safe I won’t be taking any risk. Whether he’s joking or not, it’s just not an option for him to be around DC now. DH understands and will respect my wishes, but I can’t say he agrees with me.

He can stay alone, but for whatever reason he doesn’t want to. I think (although this is me guessing the situation) that he must have said he doesn’t want to stay alone to try and either go with PIL or stop them going away, but I think they need the break so they’ve tried to find another option and they’ve therefore chosen us. DH already thinks I dislike BIL so I feel a bit awkward saying he can’t stay.

I do like him, but I’ll be honest in saying I don’t have the patience to deal with his behavioural issues for the duration of their night away. He’s okay in small doses, but anything longer and it can become hard work which is really tiring.

OP posts:
SpacePotato · 16/07/2021 19:02

Tell your PIL they can fuck right off and that you are not babysitting a perfectly capable adult who HAS HIS OWN HOUSE!!

MarshmallowSwede · 16/07/2021 19:03

Your husband needs to go stay with him at his house.

Obviously there are some behavioral issues here and you need to protect your child.

Sadsiblingatsea · 16/07/2021 19:05

I wouldn’t let this spoiled potential sociopath into your house to abuse your child and your dog.

takealettermsjones · 16/07/2021 19:08

But he absolutely does pose a threat.

Repeated "jokes" made by an adult about harming a baby are 100% threatening, and in any other circumstances you'd take it to the police, right?

He's kicked your dog. If a stranger in the street did that, surely you would call the police?

He's punched holes in walls. If a service or delivery person did this in your home, you'd report it to the police, wouldn't you?

You see where I'm going with this.

This is an easy hell no for me.

AnUnoriginalUsername · 16/07/2021 19:12

No way would someone like that be unsupervised (which he would be if you were asleep) around my child or dog.

And if you hadn't mentioned autism and just said his behaviour I'd never have thought "oh he sounds autistic" I'd have thought "he sounds like a spoilt brat that's never been expected to behave better than a toddler."
If he holds down a job he clearly doesn't behave like that at work.

SunshineCake · 16/07/2021 19:12

I would never see him again never mind anything else. Even if he doesn't mean it joking about an injury happening to a baby?? Fucks sake. No way.

billy1966 · 16/07/2021 19:12

OP,

Your child needs protecting from your BIL and should not be near your baby

Is your husband a bit dim?

Sounds like you are the sole parent with cop on.

Keep him away from the baby.

Leave the house if he comes near the house.

Waspsarearseholes · 16/07/2021 19:13

Absolutely not. Your PIL need to organise some proper carers for him if he can't be left alone for a night. It rather sounds like he'd just prefer not to be alone though, which is nowhere near your problem. I hate to be morbid but what's going to happen when your in-laws are no longer able to care for him? It sounds like he is capable of independence but chooses not to be.

Buccanarab · 16/07/2021 19:15

The violence towards your dog would be reason enough to never want him in your house again imo. Add in a baby and those "jokes" and there's simply no in this world I'd take the risk. It sounds like your DH and PIL allow him to use his autism as an excuse for some inexcusable behaviour.

CastawayQueen · 16/07/2021 19:16

@Martz

I do largely keep him away from the baby, and have told DH how I feel about his behaviour towards DC. It seems that their family thinks this is just his humour and he poses no threat and it’s just his autism that makes him say inappropriate things. Which may be so, I have limited experience of being around anybody with autism so I wouldn’t like to judge harshly- but when it comes to keeping DC safe I won’t be taking any risk. Whether he’s joking or not, it’s just not an option for him to be around DC now. DH understands and will respect my wishes, but I can’t say he agrees with me.

He can stay alone, but for whatever reason he doesn’t want to. I think (although this is me guessing the situation) that he must have said he doesn’t want to stay alone to try and either go with PIL or stop them going away, but I think they need the break so they’ve tried to find another option and they’ve therefore chosen us. DH already thinks I dislike BIL so I feel a bit awkward saying he can’t stay.

I do like him, but I’ll be honest in saying I don’t have the patience to deal with his behavioural issues for the duration of their night away. He’s okay in small doses, but anything longer and it can become hard work which is really tiring.

It is not disablist or insulting at all to point out that an individual with such significant behavioural issues would be dangerous and would require what is essentially full time care and watching to ensure that he doesn't end up harming your pets and/or children.

Also even for parents (who have been lifelong carers) of their autistic children - fully grown adults can be dangerous especially when they have no awareness of their own strength or the impact of what they are doing.

Namenic · 16/07/2021 19:18

I think your DH should stay at BiL’s house with him for one night.

Aquamarine1029 · 16/07/2021 19:19

He can stay alone, but for whatever reason he doesn’t want to.

And that's called "not your problem."

lastcall · 16/07/2021 19:19

Put your foot down, OP, and advocate for yourself and your defenceless baby: of course he can't stay, ffs.

Your PIL don't get to dictate who stays in your home or spends time with you. Don't even entertain the discussion with them. Just tell them it won't be happening.

lastcall · 16/07/2021 19:20

Oh, and if your DH has an issue with standing up to his parents or backing you, tell him he can go spend the night at his brother's thereby solving the problem since he can't advocate for his own family. That will solve the problem.

ittakes2 · 16/07/2021 19:21

I think if your husband's parents need a break your hubby can stay one night with his brother at their house. No way would I have him in the house with the baby and dog after your explaination!

Lbnc2021 · 16/07/2021 19:22

Absolutely no chance would he be near me or my baby. Tell you DH to go and stay with him if BIL is so lonely.

goldfinchfan · 16/07/2021 19:25

You really do have to say NO.

Your DC is the most vulnerable one here and too young, could to easily be harmed.
It has to be a NO

Notaroadrunner · 16/07/2021 19:27

In laws are being ridiculous. If they know he is capable of staying in his own house alone, then that's what he can do. Say a firm no to him staying at your house. You have no space for him, he acts strangely around the baby, so you do not feel comfortable with him being there. Your Dh can go and stay with him if it's so important that bil is not left alone.

Chloemol · 16/07/2021 19:31

Say no

Either your dh goes to stay with him, they make other arrangements or dint go

isadoradancing123 · 16/07/2021 19:32

No way would he be allowed to hold my baby and no way would he be allowed to frighten my dog. He may have autism but it sounds like he is just spoiled and manipulating people

lobsteroll · 16/07/2021 19:38

Can't your husband go and stay with him for the night instead?