Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To be scunnered by the state of my lovely new house

213 replies

Anythingelseintheboxpandora · 11/07/2021 17:14

Jesus fucking Christ. Is this normal?!

Two girls - 6 and 4. Moved into a brand new new build not six months ago. It was perfect. We decluttered, they have a huge playroom, ample space etc.

It’s a fucking pigsty now. Toys everywhere. Not a square inch on the floor. They do nothing. They just drag everything out. They put nothing away. Six year old flings herself to the floor in dramatic tears if I have the temerity to ask her to put her barbies away.

And it’s the mixing of toys too. Sylvanian family house full of Lego and barbie shoes. Jenga blocks in the Lego.

I have just flipped my lid. Still no one is tidying. I tidy one room while they trash another.

I’m just…gaaaah!

OP posts:
Oysterbabe · 11/07/2021 20:33

They are old enough to know better. My 3 and 5 year old would not behave that way because they know there'd be hell to pay.

mathanxiety · 11/07/2021 20:42

@Anythingelseintheboxpandora

I think your expectations are askew. Maybe you had unrealistic hopes of an organised life when you moved into the nice new house and the resulting disappointment is all the more keen?

I doubt the DDs understand what you mean by a general suggestion to 'tidy up'. They appear not to have enough focus or engagement with the idea to keep at it, and not enough sense of being a team to help out. This is all completely normal behaviour for children aged 6 and 4.

It's unreasonable to set a rule that one thing gets put away before something else gets taken out. That's not how the flow of play works. Children often amalgamate materials from all sorts of different sets, and they drift from one set of toys to another according to varied scenarios of a game. This is also completely normal play behaviour.
You need to accept that if that's how they play, and not let it get to you.

I assume you are all out of the house all day if you're a working mum, so the messing happens when you're all at home together at the weekend and in the evening? As one suggestion, try to figure out how their nursery or CM (if they had one) kept on top of the toys, and copy that.
But this isn't just about tidying. It's about developing a co-operative spirit.

While the mess is frustrating to the point of pulling hair out, the tantrums and lack of co-operation are the real problem.

Wait the tantrum out. When the storm passes, ask the child about her feelings, whether you can help her express them in a way that is easier to understand than screaming and crying is. Listen to whatever answers you get. Offer a hug and say you are happy she is feeling more calm.
Tantrums can happen for a variety of reasons:
Child has used tantrums to get her way before.
Child is tired or hungry (hangry).
Child wants you to hear something she is feeling and doesn't know how to say it.

Maybe there needs to be some interest shown by you in the game they are playing, and an assurance that something they have built isn't going to be taken apart and thrown into boxes. It sounds as if they have built Lego furniture for the Sylvanian family?

Maybe there's stuff that isn't really being played with as it could be - Jenga is a game for older kids/family. If there are wooden blocks, pile the Jenga blocks in with them, but if not, maybe put that one away.

Go through toys with the girls and ask them if they play often with them and if they would be willing to create more space for playing with the toys they are really interested in by putting some other stuff away for a while. It's very important to involve the girls in decisions about toys to be rotated or they will feel powerless and defensive about their belongings, and you won't get co-operation. Don't be tempted to swoop in and make executive decisions.

Get a family calendar and let them help you develop a daily schedule that includes tidying time. Get them in the habit of doing things at the time on the calendar - lunch for instance, or going for a walk on Saturday morning. Or helping put away their laundry with you.

Ask them what time they would like to tidy together, and mark that activity on the calendar. When the time approaches, give them a heads up about at seven minutes, then five minutes away, that it's almost time, then another at two minutes, and again at one minute. This allows them time to transition from their game to the new activity. Transitions are hard for young children. Make it easier for them. Use a timer to ding or beep when the time comes. It's hard to argue with a timer.

The reason for their involvement in the calendar/schedule is to help them feel you're all on the same side, that this isn't a case of Mean, Boring Mummy appearing out of the blue, trying to ruin their fun.

When you're tidying up, put on some upbeat music you can all sing along to, maybe try to beat the clock. When the tidying is done, do a round of high fives and compliment them on co-operating. Try and keep the mood light as you tidy, and encourage them as you go.

Keep a basket in all the rooms of the house for toys that need to be brought back to the playroom at the end of each day.

Make sure there are enough containers in the playroom to put little bits and pieces into, and more importantly, to find things they need next time they want to play.

If you have one big bin for 'Barbie stuff', for instance, maybe consider a number of smaller bins instead, for shoes, clothes, vehicles, furniture, the dollies themselves. It's hard to find a little shoe in a big bin full of lots of other stuff, and maybe this is why they empty stuff all over the floor when playing.
Same goes for Lego and anything else that comes with lots of little bits - a box for each colour works better than a humongous bin.

This is not an overnight solution. It's a general one though, and it will encourage co-operation in other aspects of your lives. It also encourages feelings of trust between the girls and yourself, so that they feel you can set your feelings /frustrations aside and will listen to them.

It's easy to shut everyone up and tidy furiously, dump toys, make threats, but while that approach will achieve your aim, and fast, it will also damage the trust in the relationship. In the long run, trust is something you want to build up in a family, not tear down.

To start out, take time to do a big cleanup of everything, so they have a cleared space for play, and also so they see what you mean by 'tidy'. Don't do this in a spirit of anger. Don't fling their things around.

After that, you can develop the new system.

EdithGrantham · 11/07/2021 20:50

@Simbacatisback yes that too, we introduced that this year with actions for each part and it's worked great! And "Put it back where it belongs" is better than a general "tidy up"

Anythingelseintheboxpandora · 11/07/2021 20:51

The real issue is that everything feels overwhelming and chaotic. I feel like I don’t have a grasp on anything. I am tired and overworked and I thought the bigger house would fix things (we are working from home for the foreseeable and so desperately needed more space) but it just seems to have quadrupled my to do list.

It’s like I’m so overwhelmed I don’t know where to start.

I get all the chore charts, list making etc. Clearing out and decluttering. Properly focussing on consequences etc. I know what I have to do. I just feel like life is on top of me right now.

OP posts:
Anythingelseintheboxpandora · 11/07/2021 20:52

Also I don’t just bark tidy up at them and expect them to get on with it. I try to do it with them. I direct them as we go. They just lose interest after about 90 seconds and won’t help any more. They just pull more stuff out.

OP posts:
hookiewookie29 · 11/07/2021 20:53

Rotate the boxes- put some away for now.
Allow 2 boxes out at a time.
When they've finished with one lot, it must be put away before they get another out.
And Google a tidy up song to sing together whilst they do it- it really helps!

pallisers · 11/07/2021 20:53

My mum used to make a game out of any cleaning up (nearly 50 years later I still sometimes say "Hello Mrs Murphy, how do you do?" when dressing the bed :) )

Make sure you have good storage in place in the playroom and then let them make a bit of mayhem while they are playing and at the end/before dinner/whenever say "Ok cleanup time" I used to have a song for cleanup - it was cheesy but it worked with that age. Set them a race - barbies in one bin sylvanian in an other who can fill up faster.

You could also just remove any toys that migrate beyond their bedrooms/playroom and wait for them to ask for them.

Wrenna · 11/07/2021 20:54

Too many toys

mathanxiety · 11/07/2021 20:59

Take some time to get out as a family.

Take some time to write a schedule for a big clear up.

Do you have a partner who can do his share of the housework?

Dancingsmile · 11/07/2021 21:01

Young children become overwhelmed with too much out on view. They then can't engage.
Get cupboards that toys can be hidden in. Take two out at a time. They will then play with them and not just make a mess.

MySocalledLoaf · 11/07/2021 21:09

My two and three year old tidy up quite nicely as it’s something they do at nursery. We have high shelves on the wall they can’t reach. I don’t get a new thing down until the last one’s away. There are some things at their level and they get a good tidying about 10 minutes when we are on the way to somewhere they want to go (park, beach, pool). If they don’t tidy, we don’t leave (you have to be prepared to follow through so only ever before things where there’s no impact on you of not going).
Once they don’t play with something any more I ask them if we should pack it up for another child. We clean it and wrap it and donate it. Usually the next day I get a new handed down toy I’ve been saving down from the attic.

Phineyj · 11/07/2021 21:10

Based on your latest post, I think an urgent priority is to do whatever you can to improve your low mood. You can't hope to solve big mess problems if you're feeling so under the weather. You haven't mentioned your husband/partner's role in this I don't think. Is this burden all on you? Why? And if the working from home is permanent then you need clearly delineated work and play spaces. I work at home quite a lot and I have a small box room as my "office". I don't let work stuff come out of there and there is a lock on the door. We have just today been talking about setting DH up a small work space in another bedroom as he is driving me potty with laptop cables etc in our living space.

Minibea · 11/07/2021 21:19

Rotate toys, have good storage systems in place so they can actually tidy it up by themselves then use whatever combination of carrots and/or sticks you personally favour to enforce it. Hardly rocket science 🤷🏻‍♀️

Happylittlethoughts · 11/07/2021 21:21

To be blunt, you are in charge of them. Start routines and rules

Ragwort · 11/07/2021 21:30

Far too many toys - just be ruthless. sort the toys out, hide some, give some away ... you are the adult here, toughen up. I never allowed my DS too many toys, just culled them or gave them straight to the charity shop Grin - he's 20 now, has never complained about the lack of toys.

beachcitygirl · 11/07/2021 21:53

I had a rule that one set of toys had to be put away properly & tidily before another was allowed out.
My kids went to Montessori nursery & that was drummed in there. They are both still really tidy.

Be tough. One toy at a time.

warmfluffytowels · 11/07/2021 22:04

@Anythingelseintheboxpandora

Also I don’t just bark tidy up at them and expect them to get on with it. I try to do it with them. I direct them as we go. They just lose interest after about 90 seconds and won’t help any more. They just pull more stuff out.
That's when you need to instil consequences for not doing as they're asked - especially for the older one.

However I would agree with a PP that young children find meds very overwhelming and stressful. One toy out at a time is a good way to do things - then only one thing at a time needs to be tidied up Smile

Nettleskeins · 11/07/2021 22:14

Its going to be too much to follow through with consequences right now. Or write incredible perfectionist lists...just get an enormous toy box with a padlock, throw half the stuff in without even telling kids then life will be so much easier. Make life easier for YOU and then you will cope better with the inevitable non cooperation. And when you are relaxed you will magically find them copying you quickly tidying. Get angry and they will defiantly resist. Better a mediocre tidy and cheerful mum and kids than perfectly tidy and organised and upset mum and kids. Next week it will be a little easier to tidy and so on and so forth.
You can't make them tidy in a flash of blue lightening. Be more compassionate on yourself

Nettleskeins · 11/07/2021 22:17

Consequences don't work. Copying mum does.do birds teach their fledglings by threatening them? No they MODEL behaviour

LittleOwl153 · 11/07/2021 22:33

Don't give in to the tantrum. She tantrums and gets what she wants. So the next time she doesn't get what she wants she tantrums some more and gets what she wants....

Mischance · 11/07/2021 22:37

Do they have TV time? - or anything else that they like to do? (e.g. story time etc.) I would say TV time can start when you have put the toys away. Then praise praise praise when they do it (I hope they do!). And do the same every day - make it a routine.

malteserheist · 11/07/2021 22:44

@Phineyj

Based on your latest post, I think an urgent priority is to do whatever you can to improve your low mood. You can't hope to solve big mess problems if you're feeling so under the weather. You haven't mentioned your husband/partner's role in this I don't think. Is this burden all on you? Why? And if the working from home is permanent then you need clearly delineated work and play spaces. I work at home quite a lot and I have a small box room as my "office". I don't let work stuff come out of there and there is a lock on the door. We have just today been talking about setting DH up a small work space in another bedroom as he is driving me potty with laptop cables etc in our living space.
I was also wondering why you seem to be in this on your own.

If you're feeling overwhelmed then step back from the full list and pick one thing and one thing only to focus on that you can achieve. When you accomplish that - and have had the boost achieving something brings - then you think about taking on something else from the list.

One at a time until you feel less overloaded and a bit better in yourself, which you gradually will if you achieve them one at a time. Even when it is only something small, achievement brings satisfaction.

Nobody's life is going to be in danger if you stop trying to do it all at once.

DontDrinkDontSmokeWhatDoIDo · 11/07/2021 23:20

@Oysterbabe

They are old enough to know better. My 3 and 5 year old would not behave that way because they know there'd be hell to pay.

@Oysterbabe - to be honest, a 3 year old and a 5 year old "knowing there'd be hell to pay" sounds extremely, extremely concerning.

Your poor kids.

gah2teenagers · 11/07/2021 23:56

@Essentialironingwater

This might sound really obvious but could you put away half the toys - or more of they have loads - in the garage and then bring them out in big boxes on rotation (the idea being fewer toys, less mess potential!)

I feel for you. We moved from a smaller house to a house we thought was enormous - 5 beds, a full sized snooker room (that we use as a big playroom), 2 living rooms...etc...and the toddler has done a good job at creating chaos. I think the smaller house was easier to keep tidy as the mess just spreads here.

This. 100%
merrygoround88 · 12/07/2021 00:00

I second asking them to tidy some items up and if they don’t, then throw them out and do not row back on this.

I still sporadically do it.