Piercing a 2yr olds ears..

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It's not a cultural thing in this case, more so the toddler is being treat like a fashion accessory. Mum had it done because mum thinks it's "pretty and girly"

As an adult whom has had to have two piercings surgically removed and antibiotics for complications post procedure I think it's fucking bonkers that anybody would inflict it on a small child.

AIBU and what are your thoughts?

@Quaggars

Bold fail

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Fail or not that’s the truth 🤷‍♀️ I liked it.

My daughter was definitely not traumatised, infected or ever had any trouble with her ears. She played a LOT of sport as well. Never any problem. Ever. In fact millions of people have piercings and most of them never have any issues.

It’s such a non issue.

Who actually cares if I had my daughters ears pierced??

Worry about things that matter.

PS she also wore a gold bangle on one arm and a silver bangle on the other. And a ring. 🤷‍♀️
PPS I am a British, white, middle class (?) female.

We didn't need to

@Flaxmeadow

We did that. It's normal Greek practice and it works better than waiting 5 weeks to see a GP or ringing 111 to speak to a moron with an algorithm. Nobody died or became alcoholics

It isn't so much that, it's that babies have underdeveloped very sensitive tiny livers and kidneys etc. Brandy is a powerful high proof alcoholic drink. I get that it was done in times of ignorance around child safety, in England or in Greece, but why on earth would someone think it's ok to give brandy to a baby nowadays?

Well then, why are you reluctant to educate Jewish, Hindu or Muslim parents into applying your values?

Sorry I don't understand this question

Well anyone this thick isn't going to be able to get it. X

You know full well🙄

It's common in my white British family to pierce ears on both sexes. I don't like it because I think it makes children look like dollies, but none of the babies have ever caught during play nor have they become infected. In fact they simply ignore them.

I realise that's not everyone's experience, but as a consequence I can't get into the vile/wounded/abuse territory this subject invokes on MN.

@Maharajah20
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Fail or not that’s the truth 🤷‍♀️ I liked it

? Not sure what you're meaning there, I wasn't referring to anything you'd posted?
I was referring to my ineptitude at using the bloody bold function lol

Well anyone this thick
isn't going to be able to get it. X

You know full well🙄

No I really don't know. Could you clarify what you mean Cavalierqueen when you asked me
Well then, why are you reluctant to educate Jewish, Hindu or Muslim parents into applying your values?

I haven't mentioned anything in my posts about reluctance, religion or my values in relation to that.

Are you getting me mixed up with someone else?

I’m with you 100% OP. I think that it is vile for mother’s to pierce babies and young children’s ears. It should be made illegal IMHO.

TableFlowerss

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For all those saying it isn’t abusive (painfully putting holes in a child’s ear for an adult’s perception of beauty), where is your line?

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When they’re old enough to understand that it hurts and that they say they actually want it done…..

Not sure why you’ve used a confused face as clearly I agree.

Jim Royle: "Why not get the bugger tattooed at the same time?"

YANBU. It looks horrible on children and I hate to see little girls treated as dolls or ornaments.

It should be illegal below the age of 10 anyway; I’m increasingly uncomfortable with it.

@Cavalierqueen

FGM bad. Ear piercing bad. Male circumcision never berated. You pick and choose your judgment according to which cultures you feel are free to insult. How about campaigning for other cultures who circumcise boys and prevent girls from being educated on your very doorstep?

FGM bad. Ear piercing bad. Male circumcision never berated. You pick and choose your judgment according to which cultures you feel are free to insult.

Quite happy to insult all of them

@VestaTilley

YANBU. It looks horrible on children and I hate to see little girls treated as dolls or ornaments.

It should be illegal below the age of 10 anyway; I’m increasingly uncomfortable with it.

But why 10?

Muriel, I have known male circumcision for cultural or religious (ie non medical), reasons to be soundly criticised with calls for it to be banned. I can't see that happening, frankly. It's very important to Jews and Muslims. I sit on the fence about that one.

Piercing a baby's ears is not a cultural or religious requirement, it is either a tradition or a fashion.

Circumcision is abhorrent as well unless required for actual medical reasons

It's who, not whom, in this case OP. I personally wouldn't do it to a toddler but think it's probably not a huge issue.

Hi @Maggiesfarm

I'm not really sure what "cultural" means, as a justification for allowing children to have their bodily integrity unnecessarily interfered with, when they cannot consent, for some purpose that suits the parents and family. I suspect there might well be an argument that piercings are the preserve of a section within white British working-class culture. There's a danger that not acknowledging that would just increase a sense of grievance and victimhood.

Yeah I’m not going to conform to the MN British standard about what is allowed and not allowed for parents to do to kids. Trying to use FGM as a comparison and saying culture is irrelevant is interesting because there seems to be a weird fucked up moral compass on here about things only being acceptable if they are widespread in western countries.

Piercing a babies ear: bad, evil, child abuse, deserves prison time.

Over feeding children to the point of childhood obesity leading to lifelong illness: don’t judge, you hate poor people, people are allowed to do what they want with their own kids, mind your business.

I wonder whether piercing a child’s ears leads to worse health outcomes than over feeding them?

Common and nasty.

Piercing your baby’s ears and putting bangles and rings on them, how tacky

My dd had her ears pierced at 8...she asked for them to be done. It wouldn't have been my choice really. She has sn and was struggling socially at school, although I don't think that was why she wanted it done...I was absolutely fine to let her have it done and a side effect is a little bit of kudos amongst the cool girls. I remember being desperate at age 11 to get my ears pierced and my parents wouldn't let me. I'm still bitter...no idea why they were so anti it

@user1471442488

Piercing your baby’s ears and putting bangles and rings on them, how tacky

Unless it's amber then it's middle class.

Unless it's amber then it's middle class

I won’t be punching holes through my children’s flesh. When they’re secondary age and ask for it themselves then there’ll be a discussion.

@cinammonbuns

Yeah I’m not going to conform to the MN British standard about what is allowed and not allowed for parents to do to kids. Trying to use FGM as a comparison and saying culture is irrelevant is interesting because there seems to be a weird fucked up moral compass on here about things only being acceptable if they are widespread in western countries.

Piercing a babies ear: bad, evil, child abuse, deserves prison time.

Over feeding children to the point of childhood obesity leading to lifelong illness: don’t judge, you hate poor people, people are allowed to do what they want with their own kids, mind your business.

I wonder whether piercing a child’s ears leads to worse health outcomes than over feeding them?

Absolutely. Piercing a baby's ears is hardly the worse or most important parenting choice there is. It really doesn't matter a great deal. I am a parent who has pierced my daughter's ears. Judging me to be a bad parent for that alone is extremely narrow minded. My children are extremely well looked after, they are kind and compassionate, respectful, creative, they are active and healthy. They have pierced ears, agree or disagree, but that choice doesn't sum up my parenting.