Piercing a 2yr olds ears..

[Thelogicescapesme]

It's not a cultural thing in this case, more so the toddler is being treat like a fashion accessory. Mum had it done because mum thinks it's "pretty and girly"

As an adult whom has had to have two piercings surgically removed and antibiotics for complications post procedure I think it's fucking bonkers that anybody would inflict it on a small child.

AIBU and what are your thoughts?

[quote girlmom21]@Thelogicescapesme she's not exactly going to be traumatised by it though is she she'll never remember it.

Funny that you responded to that but not the PP who asked how your relative responded when you confronted them. [/quote]
Because I bet it never happened OR the relative said "Fuck off and mind your own business", as they should.

Genuine answer.
I think it looks nice.

Yes, you.
*YOU think it looks nice.
It's not your ear though, is it?
Just because they can't say no and you think it's pretty it's OK to punch a hole in somebody else's body?

Bold fail

I doubt babies like being strangled by the woo amber necklaces but that seems fair game because it's middle class and white.

Unless someone is trying to pierce YOUR 2 year old’s ears, I’d suggest you just roll your eyes and live your life 👍🏻

@Thelogicescapesme

3 month old niece cried for 10 seconds

Oh well that's ok then, an almost newborn baby was hurt and frightened but she only cried for 10 seconds so it doesn't matter

Don't we let children cry when they get vaccinated? I mean I know you're going to say one is necessary and one isn't but a lot of people will argue vaccines aren't necessary.

I doubt babies like being strangled by the woo amber necklaces but that seems fair game because it's middle class and white.

For the record not a fan of those either (seem a bit dangerous having a necklace round a baby's neck) as well.

Ahhh I can't get worked up about these things. And no. My kids don't have pierced ears.

Did anyone see the Stacey Dooley sleeps over with the unschooled family. Now she was abusive. Her 8 year old couldn't write his own name and she was planning to take them to Africa but said she didn't believe in Malaria pulls, just pharma nonsense. Love her or hate her, Stacey has actually spent a lot of time in Africa and other places seeing the impact of malaria on children and she spoke up really well. That is a non sexual child abuser, not a nice normal (probably white and common or brown and religious) person.

And her baby was riddled with amber

looks cheap and chavvy, , and potential risk of one getting caught and pulled out during play.

@Thelogicescapesme

3 month old niece cried for 10 seconds

Oh well that's ok then, an almost newborn baby was hurt and frightened but she only cried for 10 seconds so it doesn't matter

That's exactly right, you've got it! Can we talk about something worth getting worked up about now?

Not good. You shouldn’t be wounding a child (unless is necessary surgery of course). Just ridiculous.

They can’t consent to it and it isn’t needed.

My rule of thumb is that either child - Ds or Dd - can do it when they’re old enough to take care of the resulting wound themselves.

Wounded, maimed,hurt,frightened,abused ...

The language around this is ridiculous.

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing

Not good. You shouldn’t be wounding a child (unless is necessary surgery of course). Just ridiculous.

They can’t consent to it and it isn’t needed.

My rule of thumb is that either child - Ds or Dd - can do it when they’re old enough to take care of the resulting wound themselves.

It's interesting how everyone who actually had it done doesn't care. Never known anyone traumatised by an ear piercing. It's never mentioned ever because it's not a big deal. I'm f you don't want your child to wear earrings, that's fine.

I doubt babies like being strangled by the woo amber necklaces but that seems fair game because it's middle class and white.

What's 'white' got to do with anything? It was also a white tradition to pierce young girls ears and still is where I live in England, though thankfully becoming less so.

Im going back a long time now, but something that used to be common where I live, was babies and children with black kohl around and in their eyes. You dont see it now and not for decades, because some children were poisoned by the cheap imported kohl pencils and there was a big health campaign to stop it. The campaign was very successful and sense won over cultural tradition.

It's about education and health. Just because something was a cultural tradition once, iit doesn't necessarily make it right. Children in England still used to be sewn into flannel underclothes in winter when my parents were children. They never took them off but it was stopped by health campaigns and for obvious reasons

Had it done to them as a baby*

People that use the excuse of 'they won't remember it'...
So a baby wouldn't remember any kind of abuse. Does that make it right?
Finding the excuses so odd when they can't be applied to anything else. Where's the logic?

...another 'tradition' was rubbing brandy on babies gums when they were teething. No one batted an eyelid at this kind if thing when I was a child, but its righty so very wrong to us now

...another tradition, believe it or not, was when a child got whooping cough, you shoved the childs head over a potty of urine, might even have been into it. My auntie told me that one and she still remembers it being done to her as a very small child. Seriously bonkers some of these old wives tales and traditional practices

I doubt babies like being strangled by the woo amber necklaces but that seems fair game because it's middle class and white.
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Gosh I've never come across that.

@Flaxmeadow

...another 'tradition' was rubbing brandy on babies gums when they were teething. No one batted an eyelid at this kind if thing when I was a child, but its righty so very wrong to us now

We did that. It's normal Greek practice and it works better than waiting 5 weeks to see a GP or ringing 111 to speak to a moron with an algorithm. Nobody died or became alcoholics

@Flaxmeadow

I doubt babies like being strangled by the woo amber necklaces but that seems fair game because it's middle class and white.

What's 'white' got to do with anything? It was also a white tradition to pierce young girls ears and still is where I live in England, though thankfully becoming less so.

Im going back a long time now, but something that used to be common where I live, was babies and children with black kohl around and in their eyes. You dont see it now and not for decades, because some children were poisoned by the cheap imported kohl pencils and there was a big health campaign to stop it. The campaign was very successful and sense won over cultural tradition.

It's about education and health. Just because something was a cultural tradition once, iit doesn't necessarily make it right. Children in England still used to be sewn into flannel underclothes in winter when my parents were children. They never took them off but it was stopped by health campaigns and for obvious reasons

Well then, why are you reluctant to educate Jewish, Hindu or Muslim parents into applying your values?

We did that. It's normal Greek practice and it works better than waiting 5 weeks to see a GP or ringing 111 to speak to a moron with an algorithm. Nobody died or became alcoholics

What would you need to see a gp for?!

We did that. It's normal Greek practice and it works better than waiting 5 weeks to see a GP or ringing 111 to speak to a moron with an algorithm. Nobody died or became alcoholics

It isn't so much that, it's that babies have underdeveloped very sensitive tiny livers and kidneys etc. Brandy is a powerful high proof alcoholic drink. I get that it was done in times of ignorance around child safety, in England or in Greece, but why on earth would someone think it's ok to give brandy to a baby nowadays?

Well then, why are you reluctant to educate Jewish, Hindu or Muslim parents into applying your values?

Sorry I don't understand this question