School children arriving late on Monday due to Footie

[Muncher75]

This was doing the rounds on my social media today, I am a teacher, so Is it just me or is this a bad idea? Children have hardly been in school this year anyway. More importantly, I feel that it’s teaching our children the wrong life lesson. Surely, if you choose to stay up late then suck it up on Monday! You can’t be swanning in late on a Monday to work after a weekend of partying.... interested to know if it’s just me. For the record, I enjoy watching football!

this shop will not open till midday due to everyone who works here having a lie in after watching the match. can you imagine the uproar from customers if that happened!
totally ridiculous.

@mogsrus

this shop will not open till midday due to everyone who works here having a lie in after watching the match. can you imagine the uproar from customers if that happened! totally ridiculous.

Plenty of shops are doing just that. Of course there's been some grumbling, but most customers seem supportive of the idea. As for the the school's it's not midday it's 10.30am, and as has been said many times on the thread it's optional. If you can't or don't want your child to start later then schools will be open at their usual time.

on the fence on this one. My kids have got off a plane from Australia at 5.30am and made it into school by 8,30 and had full day at primary age. I'm sure most will survive normal starting time having lost a couple of hours sleep.

@Whinge,

Optional, though, means no meaningful learning before 10:30AM.

Parents and schools have been desperate for children to catch up on missed learning.

You either thinks learning trumps footie or footie trumps learning. I know where I stand and what message I want to go to my children.

@Illstartexercisingtomorrow

Agree in principle with OP - if you choose to stay up late the night before school/work you still get up on time and be there. Not just stroll in when you feel like it.

They’re being given permission. Our school is not, so my dcs will go to school the usual time, just very tired!

@TheReluctantPhoenix

Agree with OP, it is a terrible idea.

If we win 19th will probably be made a public holiday anyway.

One day of tiredness won’t kill anyone and learning to deal with fatigue is a part of building resilience.It will also allow those with a late start to keep everyone else up with their noise-not fair on those who have to start early anyway.

As has been already pointed out, arguments about how late starts etc will be disruptive and kids should be able to come in as usual and cope with tiredness are moot. This is because regardless of what schools say, lots of children are going to be coming in late anyway. That part is already settled. So the question is how schools choose to deal with this. There is no option that involves everyone being in at the usual time.

@ButteringMyArse,

Simple, the usual way. Children who arrive late miss learning and have to catch up, or not.

The conscientious are not penalised for the lazy.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@ButteringMyArse,

Simple, the usual way. Children who arrive late miss learning and have to catch up, or not.

The conscientious are not penalised for the lazy.[/quote]
That's fine, as long as you understand that the disruption you talk about is going to happen regardless and is non-negotiable.

@ButteringMyArse,

This effect happens at the beginning and end of every term (in normal times) as certain families decide to ‘start their holiday early’ to take advantage of travel opportunities.

Their loss

So pleased you started a post about this I completely agree. It is the wrong lesson to teach our children and quite frankly, ridiculous.

Stay up late and get a lie in the next day - fuck all your obligations. It is the exact definition of entitlement and no wonder that's the way the younger generation are heading.

Football is also not the biggest deal - so many kore important things that happen in the world. I honestly can't believe anyone would agree to this.

Wow so many fun sponges about. Even if I wasn't watching it, I certainly wouldn't be begrudging others of their fun.
It's not as of it's a regular occurrence, my mum wasn't born for the last final and my dad was 2 so it's their first too. That's how rare it happens.
It's the last week of term too so I'm not sure they'll be missing much of importance.

Also why are workplaces starting late? As a grown up you can easily have a couple of drinks and go to bed at 11pm when match finished and make it in for 9am without dying.

And if you can't control your alcohol and must get wasted that makes you rather pathetic. Or perhaps you should have had a discussion for a day off with your boss beforehand.

You either thinks learning trumps footie or footie trumps learning. I know where I stand and what message I want to go to my children.

It's not an either or situation. It's recognising that many children will be up much later than normal, and offering flexibility. It's better to start a little later and have more students in. Than for students to miss an entire day because they were late, so they / their parents decided there was no point in going in at all.

@supersonicginandtonic,

This is not 1966, it is the Euros, not the World Cup. Jules Rimet will still be gleaming in Paris, regardless of the outcome.

BJ, of course, wants to big it up and offer ‘bread and circuses’ to the plebs, but you don’t need to naively lap it up.

Would be lovely to win, but scarcely an event of national importance.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@Whinge,

Optional, though, means no meaningful learning before 10:30AM.

Parents and schools have been desperate for children to catch up on missed learning.

You either thinks learning trumps footie or footie trumps learning. I know where I stand and what message I want to go to my children.[/quote]
I don’t think there were huge amounts of meaningful learning going on after the semi-final given most kids had stayed up and were half asleep.

There’s a difference between one or two children in a class having been up late or going in without much sleep and managing a whole class where 24 haven’t.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@ButteringMyArse,

This effect happens at the beginning and end of every term (in normal times) as certain families decide to ‘start their holiday early’ to take advantage of travel opportunities.

Their loss[/quote]
For an hour and a half, the effect is liable to be rather different.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@supersonicginandtonic,

This is not 1966, it is the Euros, not the World Cup. Jules Rimet will still be gleaming in Paris, regardless of the outcome.

BJ, of course, wants to big it up and offer ‘bread and circuses’ to the plebs, but you don’t need to naively lap it up.

Would be lovely to win, but scarcely an event of national importance.[/quote]
Well said!!!!!
For everyone going on about 1966, have they missed that it is is just another Euros.
Yes just bread and circuses!
Pretty sure we we will win , partly because Boris seems to be on an unbroken golden run of success in everything he wants

After the crappy year a lot of people have had it's something for people to get excited about. I'm not mad about footy but can get excited for England and want them to win. My husband is beyond excited and my little girl who's ten has recent started playing football snd is sooooo into it and excited . She's walking round with a permanent grin and watching previous match's back again. It's so nice to see her this happy about something after all the parties, school trips, school sports day, etc cancelled because of Covid. If your not going to watch it shouldn't affect you take your kids in as normal. If you are going to watch snd take your kids in later it won't affect anything and it's a one off! 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

Mine isn't staying up as not interested and we have a school trip (really) so two classes need to be in early, DCs being one of those classes.

Whilst I get that it is potentially a historic event, which many are interested in, it is equally only a game and it is not a case of people needing to stay up later than usual - at least for adults.

I have mixed feelings. SO much schooling has been lost, and many parents have not had the luxury of time off to support home learning. Kids haven't seen friends and family much until recently, and there has been no extra accommodation for this.

I suspect we will get littl sleep on Sunday night because selfish people who live in the house backing onto ours will have loads of people round and be in the garden bellowing at each other until the small hours.

I’m a teacher and think it’s a great idea. Life is too short to worry about things like this, especially after the year they’ve had. It’s just a couple of hours-calm down!

It’s only the Euros, it’s not the World Cup. As PP have said, England was last in the finals in 2009, so hardly decades ago. I start work at 8am, so will be going in ready for then. And there would be no chance of booking leave, even if I wanted to.

After missing the past 2 full weeks of school
Isolating my DS will be being dropped off at the gates at the earliest possible time on Monday!!! 😂

Our workplace has said that we can start work at 10:30 on Monday.

I live in NZ, which is a sports mad country. Due to geography a lot of what we watch is played in the middle of the night, our time. People still manage to get up at the usual time and go to work.

@Happymum12345,

It is not the two hours, it is the precedent.

Now any kid who says they had a late night (theatre, concert, sports match finishing late) has a gold plated excuse for coming in late.

As a teacher, how will you answer the question of why it was ok for the Euros but not for a kid’s away fixture which finished late?

Our school isn't doing it, but even if they were dc would be there on time, late night or not, I have to get to work!