School children arriving late on Monday due to Footie

[Muncher75]

This was doing the rounds on my social media today, I am a teacher, so Is it just me or is this a bad idea? Children have hardly been in school this year anyway. More importantly, I feel that it’s teaching our children the wrong life lesson. Surely, if you choose to stay up late then suck it up on Monday! You can’t be swanning in late on a Monday to work after a weekend of partying.... interested to know if it’s just me. For the record, I enjoy watching football!

@daisypond

It’s only the Euros, it’s not the World Cup. As PP have said, England was last in the finals in 2009, so hardly decades ago. I start work at 8am, so will be going in ready for then. And there would be no chance of booking leave, even if I wanted to.

There wasn't Euro in 2009 though?

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@Happymum12345,

It is not the two hours, it is the precedent.

Now any kid who says they had a late night (theatre, concert, sports match finishing late) has a gold plated excuse for coming in late.

As a teacher, how will you answer the question of why it was ok for the Euros but not for a kid’s away fixture which finished late?[/quote]
Surely it's about the amount of children affected? One child up late at the theatre / sports event wouldn't have a huge impact, in the same way a classroom full of tired children would.

If we're back late from a residential trip, it's standard practice to allow the children to come in later the next day as many of them may be tired. Of course many will be in at the normal starting time, but our parents appreciate the flexibility.

Yes, there were. 2009. Final was England v Germany. Germany won.

I remember this happening when I was at primary school in the 90s.

It's probably a pragmatic reaction to the reality that some parents will give the kids the whole day off otherwise.

Daisy means women's Euros.

England are hosting the women's again next year. I've signed up for advance notification when tickets are available, can't wait!

@Whinge,

I suspect your parents pay for the privilege of this flexibility?

Private schools tend to pander to overprotective parents whilst talking a big book about building resilience. (They have no choice, really, except for the very top ones).

It is the children who come in on time regardless who tend to end up at the top unis.

Resilience is hard won.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@Whinge,

I suspect your parents pay for the privilege of this flexibility?

Private schools tend to pander to overprotective parents whilst talking a big book about building resilience. (They have no choice, really, except for the very top ones).

It is the children who come in on time regardless who tend to end up at the top unis.

Resilience is hard won.[/quote]
Why do you assume I work in a private school?

I work in a state school, but allowing children to come in late after a residential seems to be pretty commonplace in both sectors.

@daisypond you raise a fair point, once again as women Boone cares about our achievements- not even other women.

But we are all supposed to stay home for the men's football and keep our kids off school when they've missed enoug through a pandemic

TBF there's no expectation that you stay at home for the match tomorrow. The pubs are very much open.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@Happymum12345,

It is not the two hours, it is the precedent.

Now any kid who says they had a late night (theatre, concert, sports match finishing late) has a gold plated excuse for coming in late.

As a teacher, how will you answer the question of why it was ok for the Euros but not for a kid’s away fixture which finished late?[/quote]
First of all teachers don't give permission or approval to children being late,on holiday etc. If them or their parents tell us it's "ok,make sure you tell the office".

If a kid insisted on questioning why one is ok or one isn't (I don't see why) the answer is pretty simple, one was decided by the head for the whole school.

@ObviousNameChage,

So it is, effectively, because I say so’.

Pupils love that answer.

Schools should lead by example, not just power.

My DC have the option of going in at 10.30. Unfortunately they have two teacher parents so will be in breakfast club at 7.30 as usual!

I'd never let my dc miss schooling for a football match and I'd be mildly annoyed my own dc wasn't having any learning for 2 hours at what is often the most productive time of the day but it IS only a once off so mildly annoyed is as far as it would go. As a parent you can still teach the idea of sucking it up after a late night and send them in on time if they've been up watching it anyway. It's not compulsory to go in later and they are hoping I assume that it will stop some kids having the whole day off.

@doesparentingsuck

So pleased you started a post about this I completely agree. It is the wrong lesson to teach our children and quite frankly, ridiculous.

Stay up late and get a lie in the next day - fuck all your obligations. It is the exact definition of entitlement and no wonder that's the way the younger generation are heading.

Football is also not the biggest deal - so many kore important things that happen in the world. I honestly can't believe anyone would agree to this.

Honestly I think you’re over thinking things.

I was a very conscientious child, top of the class a lot of the time etc etc.

And I’m shrugging at this.

People who think this sets a precedent must have a very rigid way of looking at the world.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]@ObviousNameChage,

So it is, effectively, because I say so’.

Pupils love that answer.

Schools should lead by example, not just power.[/quote]
They moan about handwriting, this topic ,that topic, why is this happening today and not tomorrow, why did this get cancelled yesterday but we have to do it today and so on.

And sometimes the answer really is because "some one else said so". A lot of the things even I disagree with and have no power over.

Atm a lot of the kids moan about PHSE , I gave all the nice, logical and detailed answers , explored why they don't like it /feel uncomfortable etc... it didn't stop . "Because it's part of the curriculum and you have to learn it" did.

Agree @ObviousNameChage

Sometimes the answer is because you’ve told them to do it or they have to learn it. You can’t get into in depth discussions about why something is happening all the time. There just isn’t time and often the teacher doesn’t know why (SLT/government have declared it) or they don’t agree with why it’s happening.

@BeingATwatItsABingThingsnd@ObviousNameChage,

Yes, teachers have to promote all sorts of things that are silly and they don’t agree with!

But that is not an argument to add another…

@daisypond

Yes, there were. 2009. Final was England v Germany. Germany won.

I had no idea the womens team had ever been in the final. Just shows (again) how sexist our sports coverage is.

@doesparentingsuck

Also why are workplaces starting late? As a grown up you can easily have a couple of drinks and go to bed at 11pm when match finished and make it in for 9am without dying.

And if you can't control your alcohol and must get wasted that makes you rather pathetic. Or perhaps you should have had a discussion for a day off with your boss beforehand.

We usually have a team meeting at 9.30 on a Monday and that's been cancelled. I agree it's ridiculous, especially as we are all working at home, so it's not like we've got to get up early to go into the office. You can roll out of bed at 9.25 for a 9.30 meeting.

All seems a bit jumping on bandwagon to me. One person does something and then everyone feels they have to.

It does, although there has been much more coverage of the women's team in the last few years. I wasn't even aware of 09, whereas I watched the last couple of world cups and remember both semi losses very well...

I'd encourage people to consider attending Euros next year when they're held in England. We are definitely going!

OH's building site is shut for the entire day for comparison.

@FictionalCharacter

“Talk about the importance of the National Anthem” - er, no, not in our house. The football is about the football. I wish schools didn’t get wanky about everything and shoehorn national anthems and bloody resilience into things instead of just letting us enjoy sport.

This

The reference to the National Anthem is probably because schools need to have a focus on British Values. They’ll have put it in there to appease people who talk about missed curriculum time but they know no one will actually do that. It’s a loose connection but better than a suggestion of writing a recount of the match or something else as equally time wasting.

[quote TheReluctantPhoenix]**@BeingATwatItsABingThingsnd@ObviousNameChage,

Yes, teachers have to promote all sorts of things that are silly and they don’t agree with!

But that is not an argument to add another…[/quote]
I'll be honest, I don't watch football, don't particularly care about it or who wins. I'll be in nice and early getting on with things.

However, I don't think a decision like this is really setting us on the path of despair, fecklesness and lack of work ethic like some people are claiming.

The reaction from parents has also been overwhelmingly positive(for various schools in the area) for once.

However, I don't think a decision like this is really setting us on the path of despair, fecklesness and lack of work ethic like some people are claiming.

It does though. It's one of so many example saying of why we are heading in a really weird direction as a society.

It's just one small part of a bigger problem - simpler entitlement and inability to push through things.

Education comes first - football is far, far down the list.

Can't even believe anyone is in favour of anything but - really shocking. I can't even believe it's a suggestion.