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To wish England hadn't won (almost)

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littlegreybird · 08/07/2021 05:48

I'm not a football fan but someone who tends to get swept along during big tournaments and a few years ago would have been thrilled by last night's result.

This year I hate it. I think the team and manager seem great, but the booing during the other teams' national anthems is sickening and makes me utterly ashamed. Then you just know it'll be jumped on by Johnson (already has) and the victory, or even getting this far, will become part of his populism. Then there's all the covid cases that will be spread due to all the mixing in pubs etc, more than would have been the case anyway.

I just feel nothing for this country anymore after the events of the last few years. Latest bit of shit news is that my daily commute will now be shared by exhausted lorry drivers who won't have had breaks thanks to Brexit, so that's a cheery thought.

When is anything good going to happen that isn't sullied by this utterly shit governement?

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sleepygnome · 08/07/2021 15:59

Gosh yes, how dare working class people be allowed to enjoy something and be patriotic all in one go. Totally traumatising and triggering. They should be down the coalmines somewhere up north, not being seen or heard.

x2boys · 08/07/2021 15:59

@Enko

I haven't read the entire thread and I am not British I am Danish though I have lived in the UK for my adult life.

The English team played well yesterday no doubt about it. I think they are a team to be proud of

question mark over the penalty but it happens in all big tournaments and I took it as it was.

Having said that.
Booing over the other team's national anthem.
Shining a laser light at the goalie during the penalty kick to put him off
Calling a young girl a nazi bitch because she was crying her team had not won..
NOT ok
and I do not feel they are behaviours that anyone should be proud of.

I am a member of a group for Danish people living in the UK. One of the Danish supporters told us her husband had been assaulted on the way home yesterday from the match. In front of their 9-year-old.

Another reported that her English friends had suggested she get her coat off and roll up her Danish flag when they walked through Manchester town centre after the match as the friends were worried she would not be safe.. She said it was the first time she had felt unsafe.

This is not behaviour to be proud of. it is not sportsmanship.

To me it is that behaviour that needs to change. The team to me dealt with their win well and I felt they deserved their celebration.

Terrible behaviour, but there has always been football hooligans and they are in the minority, they do spoil it for the majority.
PlacidPenelope · 08/07/2021 16:01

@placemats

England beat Germany fair and square. The German side were not good enough.
I was surprised at how far below their usual standard the German team in this competition were.
Bluntness100 · 08/07/2021 16:04

Gotta say, I’m totally impressed that even winning the football can be turned into some political agenda oppportunityfor you op. That’s properly desperate but very imaginative.

Slow hand clap.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

placemats · 08/07/2021 16:13

You do know @Bluntness100 that you can be a fan of England and still be critical?

twitter.com/DeborahMeaden/status/1413127243891675138

C8H10N4O2 · 08/07/2021 16:20

Jack Charlton played for Don Revie's Leeds who cheated as a badge of honour. There were teams like that, but those teams were despised for it.

Oh I agree - it was the Leeds team of that era in the front of my mind. However the behaviours were not unique to Leeds, possibly they were trailblazers for the style.

I seem to remember comparisons between the Charlton brothers' styles were quite popular in the good vs bad discussions. With big money though its winning which seems to determine the level of bad behaviour considered acceptable.

YouJustFoldItIn · 08/07/2021 16:22

Imagine if England had been playing Italy last night and gone out after extra time to a dive (with 2 balls on the pitch) and then Italian fans shine a laser in the England keeper's face.

We'd never hear the end of it. Poor Denmark are angry at the England antics, but taking it with the class and humility you'd expect from them in this tournament.

It was a referee decision with a camera check. So of course, officially at least, they have to take it on the chin.

As for 'never hearing the end of it' among fans, well as you are, I assume, not a fly on the wall in every pub and home and on every SM forum the length and breadth of Denmark, I doubt you are in a position to know what most Danes are saying about it there.

'We was robbed' is pretty much a universal gripe.

TheTallOakTrees · 08/07/2021 16:28

Remember Maradona and his 'hand of God' which we used to score against England.

Nutrafin · 08/07/2021 16:29

@Enko

Don't you think it's a bit rich complaining about England fans booing the Danish anthem just two games after Danish fans drowned out the Welsh anthem with boos (then spent the first 20 minutes of the game booing every touch of the ball by a welsh player)?

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 08/07/2021 16:30

[quote Nutrafin]@Enko

Don't you think it's a bit rich complaining about England fans booing the Danish anthem just two games after Danish fans drowned out the Welsh anthem with boos (then spent the first 20 minutes of the game booing every touch of the ball by a welsh player)?[/quote]
Shhhh you'll spoil their inverted snobbery anti-England agenda

Mamamia7962 · 08/07/2021 16:32

Placemats - Yes it was a brilliant goal by the Danish player but not sure it should stand as three of their players did an illegal move as I mentioned earlier in this thread.

Enko · 08/07/2021 16:33

@Nutrafin

Read my post
It outright says "That is not acceptable behaviour" I didn't say it's not acceptable behaviour of the English fans.. I said, "I do not feel they are behaviours that anyone should be proud of."

FrangipaniDeLaSqueegeeMop · 08/07/2021 16:35

Football is full of "shouldn't have happened" and "that wasn't a free kick", "that was over the line" etc- every game is riddled with them to the point I'm sure it all evens itself out. Teams in equal measure will both benefit and suffer as a result of these "shouldn't have happened" incidents.

User135644 · 08/07/2021 16:41

@Enko

I haven't read the entire thread and I am not British I am Danish though I have lived in the UK for my adult life.

The English team played well yesterday no doubt about it. I think they are a team to be proud of

question mark over the penalty but it happens in all big tournaments and I took it as it was.

Having said that.
Booing over the other team's national anthem.
Shining a laser light at the goalie during the penalty kick to put him off
Calling a young girl a nazi bitch because she was crying her team had not won..
NOT ok
and I do not feel they are behaviours that anyone should be proud of.

I am a member of a group for Danish people living in the UK. One of the Danish supporters told us her husband had been assaulted on the way home yesterday from the match. In front of their 9-year-old.

Another reported that her English friends had suggested she get her coat off and roll up her Danish flag when they walked through Manchester town centre after the match as the friends were worried she would not be safe.. She said it was the first time she had felt unsafe.

This is not behaviour to be proud of. it is not sportsmanship.

To me it is that behaviour that needs to change. The team to me dealt with their win well and I felt they deserved their celebration.

I'm sorry your team were cheated and England players and fans should take a long, hard look at themselves after last night.
Ratalie · 08/07/2021 16:41

@Enko

Okay sure, it just seemed that your list was particularly England specific. If you're in agreement that the Danish fans behaviour during the tournament has been similarly poor, all good.

Enko · 08/07/2021 16:44

@littlegreybird
My view is sportsmanship should be uttermost considered in a sporting tournament of ANY type from ANY country.

I also stated that they deserved the English team played well and was a team to be proud of and deserved their celebrations.
but lets miss that part ha?

User135644 · 08/07/2021 16:45

@C8H10N4O2

Jack Charlton played for Don Revie's Leeds who cheated as a badge of honour. There were teams like that, but those teams were despised for it.

Oh I agree - it was the Leeds team of that era in the front of my mind. However the behaviours were not unique to Leeds, possibly they were trailblazers for the style.

I seem to remember comparisons between the Charlton brothers' styles were quite popular in the good vs bad discussions. With big money though its winning which seems to determine the level of bad behaviour considered acceptable.

Always liked the story of Brian Clough turning up to Leeds as Revie's replacement and announced himself to the players by telling them to throw their medals in the bin because they were all earned by cheating. The players wouldn't take to him and got him sacked. Clough went to Nottingham Forest instead and won the league and European Cup and Leeds got relegated.

I dread to think Clough would make of this England side.

Enko · 08/07/2021 16:47

@Ratalie not littlebird (sorry about that I do not know why it keeps doing that to me when I link someone)

alwaystired2021 · 08/07/2021 16:55

I'm with you OP. As someone who's loved football (spent 4/5 days a week playing and coaching it for 10 years) I've lost all interest in it now.

I'm mostly appalled by the fans who've been against the current government in its populist approach but now fail to see how the Euro has been used in the same way. I'm appalled that it took UEFA to charge England for abysmal behaviour for actions to be taken. And I'm appalled by the total lack of respect for the NHS - the same NHS everyone has claimed to care about - by allowing turning Wembley into a massive covid petri dish.

I expected the racists and yobs to behave appallingly. After all, that's their trademark. But I didn't expect the other fans to be equally bad. If you were at Wembley and didn't try to stop the booing, you're part of the problem.

I feel for Southgate and the team to have such fans. They deserve so much better.

alwaystired2021 · 08/07/2021 17:04

@Enko I'm with you all the way.

England was the stronger team but Denmark put up a good fight. The problem is something else - the total lack of decency by most (not all but most) England fans.

I do feel immensely for the very talented England team. They don't need these kind of fans to play well.

Sportsmanship doesn't exist amongst English football fans. It just doesn't. And this Euro this has made this more apparent than ever before.

And it's not the norm to behave like this in other sports or by other countries. Don't fool yourself.

Nutrafin · 08/07/2021 17:05

There absolutely should be disciplinary action taken over the laser.

The booing though? Only if it's applied even-handedly, and the Danes have been the worst offenders at the tournament.

I can't say I was upset at them getting a taste of their own medicine.

Hdhdjejdj · 08/07/2021 17:06

@User135644 which players do you think are cheats?

TheTallOakTrees · 08/07/2021 17:10

[quote Nutrafin]@Enko

Don't you think it's a bit rich complaining about England fans booing the Danish anthem just two games after Danish fans drowned out the Welsh anthem with boos (then spent the first 20 minutes of the game booing every touch of the ball by a welsh player)?[/quote]
There are fans from all countries that do this. There are also some fans that cause trouble as there are with anything. The majority don't

Phantasmo · 08/07/2021 17:13

@TheTallOakTrees

Remember Maradona and his 'hand of God' which we used to score against England.
Of course. A documentary has been made about the 'hand of God' every year since 1986. National therapy for a national obsession. But hopefully Euro success in 2021 will move England, en masse, past their Maradona trauma.
Phantasmo · 08/07/2021 17:16

@Clavinova

Dietmar Hamann - "German professional football coach, former player and media personality" - is probably still upset that Germany were knocked out of the tournament by England.
Are you a bot? Any thread with a slight political slant and up you pop like a Tory cheering meercat.