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Aibu to ask if your Mum or dad died when you were a teenager

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Frikonastick · 07/07/2021 09:56

If there is anything your surviving parent could have done better either before or after the other parent died?

I’m not sure ‘better’ is the right word exactly, but my DH has stage 4 cancer and DD is 13 and he won’t have much longer with us, and I feel like I’m not doing enough. Or doing the right things.

But I have no idea what is right, or what would be good that I can’t know because I never went through this as a child myself and I just want to do my best for DD and DH

So I thought there must be people here, that this has happened to, that I can ask. That will know what I should do.

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SunSunSunshine · 07/07/2021 20:19

I lost my Mum at 15.
The thing I wish my Dad had done was send me to Counselling so I could have understood and processed my feelings better. I was scared, devastated, lonely after my mum died and had major anxiety. I think bereavement counselling would have massively helped.

I think it was also important that my Mums memory was kept alive. So being able to talk about her whenever. Hearing all the good stories and also being around my mums family helped this.

Also little things are important. I would have loved to hear more about my mums life before me etc

Sidneysussex · 07/07/2021 20:34

I lost my dad to cancer in my teens. I'm truly sorry you are going through this. I will answer honestly I just hope I don't upset you.
My mum tried very hard to make it not affect us and was very strong and sensible at the time. Organised funeral, solicitor etc
But the reality is it couldn't not affect us. She stopped working ( took very very early retirement) as she had been a GP and couldn't handle palliative patients anymore.
The worst bit was watching and knowing my mother's grief. After the first days she hid it but that meant I couldn't openly grieve for fear of upsetting her. There is always a principal griever in any situation. She would cry regularly and we felt bad , nothing we could do but also didn't feel we could cry in front of her for fear of setting her off. 20 years on and it's still the same.
Everyone asked us how our mum was, what could we say? not good is not a very English answer. Nobody ever asked us how we were.
My mum has never been the same since he died.
Please please live your life after you loose your husband. Please don't hide your grief , because you can't ! Be open X

applesandoranges221 · 07/07/2021 20:40

Firstly, I’m so sorry. Secondly, what would have helped me was being allowed to feel joy - children’s grief is so different and they rollercoaster up and down more. Make sure she knows it’s ok to be happy or enjoy things and it isn’t an insult to her dad. Also, winston’s wish.

user62183286325986 · 07/07/2021 20:58

@Frikonastick

So many of you are saying about not wanting to talk about your parent because it upset the other parent, and I think, I mean would it have been better if they let you talk but didn’t themselves seem upset? Or would it have been ok if they were openly grieving with you?
Firstly, I am so sorry this is happening to your family.

Personally I think it's more important to just keep reassuring her that it's not her that's upsetting you but what's happened that's upsetting you. It's a small but critical difference.

That's what's distressing - seeing the grief all over their face and feeling like you caused that pain by talking or crying. So it's just really important to reiterate and reassure that she is not the one causing your pain. Doesn't magically make it all ok but takes away the needless guilt and self-torment.

I don't think trying to almost playact or turn yourself into a robot is good for either of you. It creates distance and a sense of distrust over the falseness/insincerity of it, despite being well intentioned.

I always remember the night my mum told me and my sibling she was dying, the three of us sitting on the sofa without saying a word quietly crying together with our arms wrapped around each other.

It was horrific and remembering it has made me cry all over again, but at the same time I'm glad we shared that and were together in that moment of pain. It was a comfort - to know I was offering comfort to my mum and sibling, to receive comfort from them, and to be close and honest and together in that moment of indescribable shock and horror and pain.

You're not going to be perfect here because there's no perfect path. You're doing your best and learning as you go along - open and honest communication is an important part of that and what will keep the two of you from being torn apart from each other.

More generally, I would advise reading the Cruse bereavement information on how teenagers are affected by losing a parent and how they grieve, as it is different to adults.

You are right unfortunately that this will be a lifelong loss and lifelong grief, because as she grows up and embarks on adulthood there will be a succession of new losses that her peers won't understand. It can be very isolating.

It is really hard having to watch peers share moments with their parent that you can't, but your peers not realising at times how thoughtless they're being or how painful it is for you. Not being able to say anything or react because then people get fed up with you or start telling you you should be "over it" . Or that you should have forgotten you ever had or lost that parent by now!

Watching peers in your 20s who take it for granted they have that parent supporting them in the background or at the end of a phone when they're worried or don't know what to do. And if you ever try to explain how hard it is for you not to have that, being told you're being pathetic because you're an adult and you don't need your parent now anyway. By peers who hold themselves up as "independent" but are actually propped up emotionally and practically by the parent you don't have. Whose faces fill with horror at the mention of their own parent's mortality, but have no empathy or compassion for what it must mean to you that you haven't been able to talk to or hug your parent for a decade now. That you don't have the support they do to be "independent".

There will be periods of time where things feel manageable and then suddenly periods where it is unbearable.

I still feel angry at the people who told me time would take the pain away because actually it gets worse the more time that passes. I wouldn't have coped with being told at the time it was the lifelong loss I feared it would be, but it would have helped if people had acknowledged that when I expressed it and when a new milestone arrived that made me realise it had blown up my life forever.

It wasn't until I met other people who had been through what I had too and for the first time understood me (and me them) that I started to feel less alone and isolated - that didn't happen until my late 20s! If you can find a bereavement support group for her I think it could make a big difference. I cannot emphasise enough what an isolating experience it is to lose a parent so young.

The more informed you are and the fewer assumptions you make the better. Don't beat yourself up for not being perfect, what counts is that you care enough to respond to mistakes and to be thinking about this in the first place.

MrsElba · 07/07/2021 21:09

I'm not one for posting on here, rather lurking, but your post has resonated deeply with me. I'm so incredibly sorry that you, your DH, DD and family are going through this. The fact that you are looking ahead in this way for your DD whilst going through this stage of grief yourself is incredible and I just wanted to point that out, in case it helps at all.

Everyone's grief is so very different so whilst you can certainly be more prepared, you'll just never know how things will be when the time comes or how people will react.

In the early days, it was something physical for me to keep Dad close. I kept some of his aftershave and still have it, 20 years later. I have one of his shirts made into a cuddle cushion, although didn't do this until years later. A very precious and rare photo of him. As strange as it sounds, I can't remember what his voice sounded like and I hate that I don't have a recording of it.

It might be an idea for your DD to be part of the funeral. I helped lower my Dad's coffin into the ground as it was the last thing I could do for him. I found it incredibly difficult at the time as a teenager and it was perhaps too involved. I've never regretted doing it, but perhaps would have regretted not doing it. Maybe your DD could help with funeral arrangements to feel involved and part of the decisions? Or perhaps pick a song to be played?

I would say I struggled with my grief in an unhealthy way for many years. The first point that I actively sought help and was willing to be helped was in my late 20s when I got engaged and the sudden realisation (sounds stupid, it shouldn't have been sudden, but probably something I'd locked to the back of my mind) that my Dad wouldn't get to walk me down the aisle, wouldn't get to get the 2nd dance, would never meet my DH, watch me establish my career, help me paint my first home, get to meet his DGC.

My point being, grief can come in many shapes and forms, at any time. It may take years for your DD to truly grieve and it may come at an unexpected time. I truly hate the expression 'time's a great healer'. It's not - you just learn how to better deal with your grief. Or not, in my case, and many others.

Could my Mum have done more? Probably. But she was also suddenly widowed in her 40s with 3 children and was just trying to do her best to get through each day. I have huge respect for my Mum and how she has rebuilt a life for herself. Go easy on yourself - this is your journey too.

I haven't RTFT so I'm so sorry if I've repeated the same thing as many. I just couldn't not respond and mostly wanted to say that I think you're incredibly brave and strong and I'm so sorry you're going through this. You will all be in my thoughts.

Littleone638 · 07/07/2021 21:10

I was in my twenties when my dad died, but I really wish I’d had a video/card/letter for milestone events. I got married six weeks after he died (we’d moved the wedding but his death came much sooner than expected) and as much as we had a beautiful day full of love I spent a lot of time wondering if he’d left something for me. He’d written an email to his best friend before he died and I desperately hoped he’d left me something for the day to read or watch.

I would also say to make sure your daughter feels included in the funeral planning. My mum said “let me know if there’s anything you want/any music you think we should have”, but that wasn’t enough, I just went along with what she’d picked because I didn’t feel like I could say “I want this” and looking back there is something I really wish we’d included. If my mum had said to me “choose a hymn/piece of music/poem you’d like to be included” that would have been so much better for me.

And last thing I would say - as others have - is don’t stop talking about him! And if possible encourage your friends to do the same around your daughter, obviously not all the time, but I see some of my dads friends semi regularly as we shared a hobby and I hate that no one ever mentions him, it’s like they forgot he existed.

The other thing I would say is celebrate the things he loves after he’s gone, especially if they are interests your daughter shares, for me it’s the film’s my dad loved, the music he enjoyed and our football team.

WeatherSystems · 07/07/2021 21:11

@Sidneysussex

I lost my dad to cancer in my teens. I'm truly sorry you are going through this. I will answer honestly I just hope I don't upset you. My mum tried very hard to make it not affect us and was very strong and sensible at the time. Organised funeral, solicitor etc But the reality is it couldn't not affect us. She stopped working ( took very very early retirement) as she had been a GP and couldn't handle palliative patients anymore. The worst bit was watching and knowing my mother's grief. After the first days she hid it but that meant I couldn't openly grieve for fear of upsetting her. There is always a principal griever in any situation. She would cry regularly and we felt bad , nothing we could do but also didn't feel we could cry in front of her for fear of setting her off. 20 years on and it's still the same. Everyone asked us how our mum was, what could we say? not good is not a very English answer. Nobody ever asked us how we were. My mum has never been the same since he died. Please please live your life after you loose your husband. Please don't hide your grief , because you can't ! Be open X
The idea of a principal grieved really struck me, thanks for that! In my case it was my brother, even though he was in his late twenties and I was only 22 he was the most openly upset and so everything revolved around him. In decisions about what to call our mum at her funeral in the flowers for example he ‘won’ with flowers saying mam whereas I always called her mum. Interesting idea and so true.
Pashazade · 07/07/2021 21:16

Lost my mum at 14. I would love to have an audio recording of her but just wasn't a thing back then. Always talk to your child, treat them as capable of making the right choices for them when it comes to decisions regarding seeing their Dad at the end. Don't expect them to want to be around sometimes, but always always talk. I wish my Dad had talked more.

Elys3 · 07/07/2021 21:21

My Mum was broken by the loss of my Dad, it is as though her world shrunk a little and never quite regained its sparkle. So sad. As a teen I found this upsetting, I suppose I still do but the years have softened things.

I wished for everyone’s sakes that it was more usual for people to seek counselling following a bereavement. Please do consider counselling for yourself and whatever self care helps you as you go through this difficult period. Flowers

Di11y · 07/07/2021 21:27

My mum died just before I turned 13. As an adult now I'd say I wish I knew more about her childhood and early life, and stories of when I was a child. My dad's a bit rubbish at remembering these things.

Also, if your DH is well enough, could he write letters/record videos for e.g. 18th birthday or graduation etc?

Try to be led by the children, some years I was really upset around the anniversary, some years I didn't really think about it.

user62183286325986 · 07/07/2021 21:29

Personally I think it's more important to just keep reassuring her that it's not her that's upsetting you but what's happened that's upsetting you. It's a small but critical difference.

Actually, reading back other posts, I would like to reiterate this to you, op.

When our mum lost consciousness for the last time I was the one who had to explain to my younger sibling that she wasn't going to wake up again. My sibling had still thought she was going to wake up later so they could talk to her. (And I did have to explain, because otherwise they would have missed their chance to say goodbye and gone off to bed 'unprepared' for mum to die that night. Not that you can ever be prepared for that).

Seeing them completely crumple in front of me like I had destroyed them broke me. I think it may well have been the worst moment of my life. It was only when someone - well over a decade later - finally explained to me that it wasn't me that caused it, it was the news I had to deliver that caused it, that I was able to find a way to cope.

My sibling has since said they're glad it was me who was the one to tell them. Because they knew me and loved me and I loved them. I wasn't a stranger or someone who didn't care about them.

Please remember when you have moments like that yourself that the pain your daughter is experiencing is not caused by you, it is caused by this shitty unfair situation.

Di11y · 07/07/2021 21:29

Don't forget grieving can look like a complete bratty, rude child. If you're hurting and don't know what to do that hurt, it can look like lashing out not crying.

PinkArt · 07/07/2021 21:32

I wasn't a teen but I wish I had more photos of me and my mum together. I wish I had more videos of her. And I wish I'd asked her more questions - practical stuff like what her menopause was like but also all those stories that die with a person.
Sending Flowers to you, DH and DD

ahoyshipmates · 07/07/2021 21:38

My dad died after a long illness when I was 13. My mum decided that it would be best if I didn't go to his funeral.

To be honest, that was probably a mistake.

PippaRose · 07/07/2021 21:47

So sorry to read you are in this position.

I’ve skim read the replies and there are lots of good suggestions. One thing I’ve really noticed is not having an adult relationship with my Dad. As a child you often don’t think about parents much beyond being your parents. Mum has always been great at talking lots about Dad but thinking of a way to convey your DH personality etc when your DD is older might be a good thing. Not sure I’ve properly explained that!

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 07/07/2021 21:49

Are there any other adults in your and DDs life who has a close relationship with you, who can act in a kind of extra parent role.

I don't really know how to phrase it but when mum died it was sudden, she committed suicide and had never before shown any signs of depression or mental health difficulties so it was completely out of the blue.

My dad couldn't cope, he was already ill and it broke him for a while.

I had to be the parent to my brothers, I felt responsible for my dad, the house, the business and finances, everything and there were no 'adults' (I was 11 so technically an adult but didn't feel like one) who were just there for me, who weren't broken by grief. No one to make me a cuppa when I felt poorly, or who I could speak to without upsetting them. I went from a kid at uni to mum of 3 boys with a terminally ill man I cared for, a family business to run and all the household responsibilities.

It's also good to have another adult around who can help if possible because they will be able to help to make the phone calls to friends and family informing them when your DH passes, they can field the messages, deliveries and other associated admin. Someone who will bring a hot meal and some drinks round so that you don't have to cook, who'll put a wash on and run the hoover round if all you can face that day is sitting on the sofa cuddling your DD and sharing stories.

HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 07/07/2021 21:50

Sorry that should say I was 21 not 11.

PocketFullOfPuddocks · 07/07/2021 21:57

I’m so sorry that you are both going through this. I was almost 13 when my mum died very unexpectedly. Like other posters have suggested, videos and audio clips of his voice are a wonderful thing to have. In my 20s I found an old cassette from my fisher price tape player/recorder. Out of curiosity I managed to find something to play it on. Most of it was blank or me singing but there was one bit that cut in of my mum saying a short sentence and it completely floored me to hear her voice. I treasure that now as we have no videos. I wish Dad had got us some bereavement counselling, we were all fairly traumatised but all in all he dealt with it as best he could. He is a great dad who talked about mum often and made sure we knew how proud she would be of us.
I hope you have the chance to enjoy some time together for now and wish you all strength for the hard times ahead Flowers

Jellykat · 07/07/2021 21:57

I echo what Ahoy said, my dad died suddenly when i was 13, and my parents hadnt been together for 2 years.. My mum wouldnt let me go to the funeral, she had a new partner by then and had moved on.

However, he was my dad, i had no way of saying goodbye, and all i had of his, was his work pass and passport (which i stole when my mum was going through his things) i was never asked if i wanted anything to remember him by.. I never felt able to ask questions about him, or talk about him in general. It was like he never existed..

Through the years old friends of his have sent me photos, of them at Art school etc in the '60s, but i have very few actual memories of who he was.. i have to say this hole has buggered me up all my life, as well as my relationships (and cost me a lot in counselling fees) and i will always resent the way my feelings were completely ignored by my mum. To this day she has never seen how she handled things was badly wrong.

I know you will never make the same mistake my mum made, or you wouldnt have started this thread.. you are obviously a fantastic parent and i send love to you and your DD for the times ahead.

SE13Mummy · 07/07/2021 22:43

The loss of a parent as a teen isn't something I've personally experienced but when I was 13 one of my closest friends parent died and the parent of another died when we were 19. More recently I've supported the partner and children of a close friend who died after a long illness.

One of the most valued mementos for each of them is their name written in their parent's handwriting. It wasn't necessarily written shortly before they died but may have been from a birthday card or similar. Scanning it and saving the image so it could be used later for a piece of jewellery, to be stitched into a wedding dress, printed onto a cushion or similar has proved to be special for each of them. With the friend who died knew they had a matter of weeks left, a plea was put out to friends, family etc. inviting them to share anecdotes, stories and photos about their shared history. Before my friend died, the contributions was read/shown to them as they arrived so although the final book that was made from them all (using an online photobook maker) wasn't completed until after they'd died, the children know their parent was involved in it. The book was put together by a friend and all the contributions were sent to a dedicated email address so it wasn't another thing for their partner to manage. My friend provided lists of their favourite songs and films which I think were also included.

LadyEuphemia · 07/07/2021 23:19

I’m so sorry Flowers it must be very hard for you. My friend died when her son was 11, and her husband had some good advice and support for their son from www.griefencounter.org.uk/ it might be worth a call to them if your child needs some extra support down the line.

Maddison44 · 07/07/2021 23:34

I'm really sorry to hear this. For me when my father died my mother was in a bad way and I was the only child still living at home and was left to fend for myself a lot. Little things like healthy dinners were replaced by convenience food. Rules were gone and I felt on my own very much. If I could give you advice it would be to stick to familiar routines, rules and traditions that you had as a family as well as creating some new ones along the way. I wish you and your family all the best.

Nodancingshoes · 07/07/2021 23:39

My dad died when I was 13. My mum took me and my sister abroad on holiday shortly after it happened. She tried so hard to keep things normal and to bring some excitement and joy back into our lives. Unfortunately I lost her 6 years later but I think she did a fantastic job in what must have been a terrible time for her. Thinking of you OP xx

Frikonastick · 08/07/2021 00:11

I am so humbled by all your generosity in offering your experiences and advice. So many of you have been incredibly kind and I have felt every one of your well wishes.

A lot of what I am reading is very confronting, it’s hard so hard, but so valuable.

Thank you

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Elys3 · 08/07/2021 00:30

Flowers I hope you and your family have good real life support too.

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