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AIBU to ignore the notification?

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Doifollowrule · 04/07/2021 17:39

This morning I woke to find a notification on the NHS app telling me I'd been in contact with someone with Covid and need to isolate for 8 days. The only place that can have come from is a farm cafe on Thursday, out for lunch with DH, who does not have the app so has not been told to isolate so isn't going to. He's manager of a large pharmacy and they're on skeleton staff already and have been encouraged to delete app by big bosses. I'm a childminder so will be letting down parents if I close. I've had a pcr test this morning and I'm double vaccinated. The app says to isolate even if its negative as I could still develop covid. But seriously, what's the point of having had 2 vaccines if I'm still going to have to isolate?! But I am usually a stickler for the rules and worry about getting "caught." What do I do?

OP posts:
Onlinedilema · 05/07/2021 07:06

Just a point- people are not dying in their thousands, hardly anyone is dying from vivid in England- fact.
I am not a covid denier. I
Seriously more people are dying from not receiving treatment for serious illnesses, flu and pneumonia than covid, not to mention suicide.

00100001 · 05/07/2021 07:21

[quote Womendohavevaginasnick]@00100001

Ahhh.
Your one of those.
Selfish.
See you on Tuesday.[/quote]
🤣🤣🤣

*you're
*next Tuesday

No, it's just that the app is shit. Means absolutely nothing that your phone at one point may have been in the proximity of another phone where the person may have tested positive. Doesn't mean you have it. If this OP never had the app.... She wouldn't be isolating, because she would have never been notified.

Sure you're able to afford to miss two weeks if work every few weeks because an app said you might possibly have been in a 2 second contact with someone....but others live in the real world and can do their own risk assessment and carry on.

The virus will NEVER go away. I can guarantee that in 5 years time, despite cases of covid, you will not isolate when an app tells you.

00100001 · 05/07/2021 07:23

[quote RainbowANDThunder]@00100001

Yes, because thats the same thing isnt it? 🙈[/quote]
Well, how is it different?

You're making a decision to go about your daily life, with an action that you know is putting people's lives in danger...?

MordredsOrrery · 05/07/2021 07:38

@Onlinedilema

Just a point- people are not dying in their thousands, hardly anyone is dying from vivid in England- fact. I am not a covid denier. I Seriously more people are dying from not receiving treatment for serious illnesses, flu and pneumonia than covid, not to mention suicide.
It isn't the death rate that concerns me as much as long covid. We don't know enough about it. I have one friend with damage to her oesophagus, nerve damage and seizures as a result of LC. Another is in his mid-30s and has been told he's showing all the signs of early onset dementia as a result of LC. Both are still suffering extreme exhaustion and have a long list of other problems affecting them from this illness. One was symptomatic the other not. Neither was hospitalised at the time. And this effects children as well as adults; through their hospital appointments and support groups they've met a lot of people in similar positions, the youngest is 2yo.

Having covid puts you at risk of long covid and enough just isn't known about who, how or why. There isn't an equivalent with flu or pneumonia. For that reason I'll still be wearing a mask and distancing despite being double jabbed, not just for my sake but the sake of others. My kids are primary age and will likely get no protection from a vaccine for some time, so I need to do this for them, too.

Oblomov21 · 05/07/2021 07:41

Just ignore. Turn off app.

I won't be isolating in the future. I've never had the app. Tbf I haven't needed to isolate before. Ds's have a couple of times from school. But Dh and I didn't need to. No more. I feel we've moved into a new stage, and it's just not necessary.

MyrrAgain · 05/07/2021 07:43

@00100001

Wrong, wrong and wrong. Can't believe what imbecilic comments are on this post!!

"Means absolutely nothing that your phone at one point may have been in the proximity of another phone where the person may have tested positive. Doesn't mean you have it.

No it means you've been in **prolonged contact with someone who is or was later positive for covid. So you could have it. So you isolate not just go off on your jollys like everyone on this post apparently does. This is why cases rise and infections spread.

**If this OP never had the app.... She wouldn't be isolating, because she would have never been notified.

  • that's why the app is another tool in the Swiss cheese approach. If we never had pcr tests no one would test positive and can still carry on doing whatever the fuck they want. That's right!

**Sure you're able to afford to miss two weeks if work every few weeks because an app said you might possibly have been in a 2 second contact with someone....but others live in the real world and can do their own risk assessment and carry on. "

  1. It's prolonged over 15 minutes exposure. Not 2 seconds. Don't be so ridiculous
  2. There are payments available
  3. No you can't do "your own risk assessment" because clearly the general public are not capable of making informed decisions about isolation and not increasing chains of transmission and infecting others. Evidence: this thread and your posts, for a start
Sparklingbrook · 05/07/2021 07:58

It's prolonged over 15 minutes exposure

Apparently it's fifteen minutes but doesn't have to be all in one go. Do you think the App works perfectly @MyrrAgain? It really doesn't IMO (and many others), and no need to be calling comments imbecilic just because you disagree with them.

MyrrAgain · 05/07/2021 08:17

I didn't say it works "perfectly" - no tactic in the Swiss cheese approach does, not even vaccines as they're not 100% but together with other defences it increases safety and effectiveness.
The app is based on evidence and what the scientific experts advise needs to happen. E.g. 15 minutes exposure, distance between you and the next person etc.
Vs someone's personal opinion on what is and isn't good enough for justifying isolation. Which I'm sure we can all agree varies significantly...

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2021 08:24

I was very much defender of the rules, and still am rolling eyes at people with mask under the nose, but even I am not having the app, let alone really listen to it.
It's not working. It's costing people and businesses incredible amount of money. It's not properly done.

glitterelf · 05/07/2021 08:39

It's not just a case of the op's phone pinging the establishment themselves have posted that a staff member has tested positive so the op could soon be getting a call to isolate as that's the whole point of test and trace. If people don't want to risk isolating then they should not be out and about imo.
I too am a childminder who's just had to cancel all my children this morning due to my own child developing a cough and having to arrange a PCR for this morning fully aware that it could just be a cough caused by tonsillitis but it's the responsible thing to do.

Crowtooyo · 05/07/2021 08:44

I can see how frustrating it is, I'm dreading it myself when I get a notification but for me I'd feel too guilty about it!

Side note though, when you say parents aren't following the rules as they are using grandparents as other childcare, you know this is allowed right?

Sparklingbrook · 05/07/2021 08:47

The app is based on evidence and what the scientific experts advise needs to happen

Mmm. I remain unconvinced TBH.

ragged · 05/07/2021 09:05

USA has opened up overwhelmingly, they are weeks ahead of UK in terms of "relying on vaccines".

Yes USA are offering vaccine to kids but their % vaccine uptake nationally is no more than 70% among the entire eligible population. Deaths are still declining, and case counts have flat-lined. They are doing this "experiment" too, not just UK.

ragged · 05/07/2021 09:08

Just 47% of US population vacc'd against covid. They do have delta variant, btw. They don't pre-emptively test as much as UK does.

LemonFantaGin · 05/07/2021 09:40

Ignore it, become positive with no symptoms, pass it on to your childminder children, they've been around nanny and grandad, nanny ans grandad get sick, grandad ends up really sick, grandad died.

Yeah.. Delete and ignore 🤦🏽‍♀️

SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2021 10:22

@glitterelf

It's not just a case of the op's phone pinging the establishment themselves have posted that a staff member has tested positive so the op could soon be getting a call to isolate as that's the whole point of test and trace. If people don't want to risk isolating then they should not be out and about imo. I too am a childminder who's just had to cancel all my children this morning due to my own child developing a cough and having to arrange a PCR for this morning fully aware that it could just be a cough caused by tonsillitis but it's the responsible thing to do.
It's absolutely responsible when there are symptoms. That's different to badly functioning app
glitterelf · 05/07/2021 10:29

@SchrodingersImmigrant I do know the difference although there are many people who also won't test/ isolate even with symptoms. However it's not just a ping from the app the establishment have also confirmed a staff member has tested positive so the responsible thing would be for the op to isolate.

nanbread · 05/07/2021 10:34

@Sparklingbrook

I think a childminder getting sued for not obeying an instruction from an App that is not a legal requirement to have would be an interesting case to follow TBF.
The venue could be fined thousands for not implementing t&t properly as OP and her husband should have been contacted through them, not just the app, had they checked in as legally required
PiccalilliChilli · 05/07/2021 10:51

I deleted that wretched app after it kept telling me to turn on my location and Bluetooth. F**k off!

awaywiththefae · 05/07/2021 11:03

He's manager of a large pharmacy and they're on skeleton staff already and have been encouraged to delete app by big bosses.

I’m sorry but Shock that’s really irresponsible. I’m shocked (but probably not surprised) that this is happening!

UnChatNoir · 05/07/2021 11:03

@MiddleParking

I’m absolutely loving all the “there would be hell to pay”, “for a start you’d be getting sued”, “I’d do everything in my power to have you shut down” Grin surely to fuck this is not that hard to understand!
In reality, they'd do nothing of the sort.
awaywiththefae · 05/07/2021 11:06

@SchrodingersImmigrant

I was very much defender of the rules, and still am rolling eyes at people with mask under the nose, but even I am not having the app, let alone really listen to it. It's not working. It's costing people and businesses incredible amount of money. It's not properly done.
Just curious, people who don’t have the app how are you going out to restaurants etc? Every cafe/coffee shop/eaterie here requires you to sign in and they even watch you do it. I feel I wouldn’t be able to do anything without it Blush
SchrodingersImmigrant · 05/07/2021 11:10

Yeah. I reinstall it to scan if needed. I didn't have to sign in shop yet, just places I sat in.

LST · 05/07/2021 11:11

@awaywiththefae just leave my name and number

Bythemillpond · 05/07/2021 11:21

TeddingtonTrashbag

I didn’t realise you had to down load an app

You don’t - it just appeared automatically on mine and it was only because a colleague told me about it that I noticed and deleted it

I think only if you have an up to date phone.