Judge has denied Britney Spears’s request!

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....AIBU to think WTF?!

What is actually going to her? I feel so sad waking up to that news this morning. Is the judge on the payroll too or something? It’s just awful

Any judges here that can shed any light on why she can’t be free to live her life?

She wasn't aware she could ask for the conservatorship to end so I imagine that will be her next step

This stinks.

It's appalling.

Why has no information been released on why they've denied her freedom?

Because it's not the public's business?

@CheddarGorge because she has children and a lot of money etc if she’s harming herself then she should be helped. Anyway no point trying to have an adult conversation on here so I’ll leave it.

I'm not surprised that it was denied. Just going by two things we can see there is so much that we don't know about the whole situation:

firstly her instagram - now, we don't know who is posting, that's true, but it's clearly her doing all that weird twirling and bizarre rapid talking; it's worrying and deeply uncomfortable

secondly, her "boyfriend" - if he's a real boyfriend, then how is he having a relationship with someone in that situation? why is he not fighting for her release if she's actually ok? He's free to say and do whatever he wants, but he's been generally quiet about the whole thing. There has been speculation that he's in fact employed by her father to act like the boyfriend, and that is even more disturbing.

This whole story is so sad and scary and I think whatever the truth is it will be one the biggest showbiz scandals of all time if it ever comes to light.

I don’t agree when people say her breakdown was just shaving her head and the umbrella incident, those took place nearly a whole year before the conservation was put in place .
There was so much more to it than that and all that time fans and spectators said “where’s her family why aren’t they helping her!? She’ll end up dead?”
When her dad showed up he was hailed as her savior, but is he just as bad as Sam Lufti at the end of the day?

As for her mother, Britney didn’t want much to do with her during her troubled years and I’m fairly sure Lynne was trying to flog a book called “Through the storm” during that time. So that gives an indication of what her priorities are.

It’s been mentioned before but people ask how Britney can perform but not manage her finances - those performances were controlled and scheduled, alcohol and drugs kept away and so on. There’s a difference between being driven to an arena and told here’s your costume put it on , now you’re going to dance to these three songs and then change ok and trying to manage your finance and navigate all the horrible users who came for her money.
Maybe they thought they were doing the right thing for her at the time then the dad got money hungry I don’t know .
I also thought in the beginning the conservation was a way of protecting her from lawsuits and other legal troubles she was facing but now it’s just so unsavory. Poor Britney.

It’s horrible I really hope she can get whatever help and support she really needs and live the life she’d like .

With regard to Kanye West , does he even have a dad or family members who could take control of him ? I know his mother died tragically and he wasn’t the same after it.

Her boyfriend has been minority vocal that she should be freed, but yes I agree it’s hard to fathom how she has a boyfriend in this situation, and the rumours are he is on the pay roll.

This is financial and coercive control at its very worst.

This is horrendous. Poor woman. It is evident she needs some kind of protection and guidance. But she needs to be kept away from her father and potentially the bf.

The only positive I can see is that the Bessemer trust is now on board as co-conservator. I would hope, therefore she will start to be offered better protection and care. I wonder if now the trust has been brought in they can help her to monitor her father and build a case against him.

@Bluntness100 I agree it’s hard to imagine how someone could be genuine ,
At one point she was engaged to her agent Jason Tarwick and that always seemed off to me too

Something I just remembered, in Mariah Carey’s book she suggested her brother had a similar plan to take over her affairs when she had a breakdown. Scary.

The thing is though, Britney thinks he is her “boyfriend”, when it’s strongly rumoured these men are paid employees.

Now I don’t know if that’s the truth, or if he genuinely is her boyfriend, or someone being paid to be her companion in this manner so she has a semblance of a normal life but is managed in a manner so she is safe.

What we do know is she is never long without a “boyfriend” seldom single for any period, but to be honest I’m not sure even she knows the truth of it.

@SalmonEile

This whole story is so sad and scary and I think whatever the truth is it will be one the biggest showbiz scandals of all time if it ever comes to light.

I don’t agree when people say her breakdown was just shaving her head and the umbrella incident, those took place nearly a whole year before the conservation was put in place .
There was so much more to it than that and all that time fans and spectators said “where’s her family why aren’t they helping her!? She’ll end up dead?”
When her dad showed up he was hailed as her savior, but is he just as bad as Sam Lufti at the end of the day?

As for her mother, Britney didn’t want much to do with her during her troubled years and I’m fairly sure Lynne was trying to flog a book called “Through the storm” during that time. So that gives an indication of what her priorities are.

It’s been mentioned before but people ask how Britney can perform but not manage her finances - those performances were controlled and scheduled, alcohol and drugs kept away and so on. There’s a difference between being driven to an arena and told here’s your costume put it on , now you’re going to dance to these three songs and then change ok and trying to manage your finance and navigate all the horrible users who came for her money.
Maybe they thought they were doing the right thing for her at the time then the dad got money hungry I don’t know .
I also thought in the beginning the conservation was a way of protecting her from lawsuits and other legal troubles she was facing but now it’s just so unsavory. Poor Britney.

It’s horrible I really hope she can get whatever help and support she really needs and live the life she’d like .

With regard to Kanye West , does he even have a dad or family members who could take control of him ? I know his mother died tragically and he wasn’t the same after it.

It's not so much "how can she perform" - of course someone with reduced capacity can be steered and cajoled into performing for money. Small children can be. Animals can be. It's the ethics of saying someone is well enough is earn money from them, but not well enough to control that money.

I don't know what her mental health condition is but the situation is very sad

The judge will have the full documentation in regards to her illness. They would not make a decision like this on shaky ground, not involving people who can sue them to high heaven.

She’s clearly more unwell than we realise. If her conservatorship ends there will be a fuck ton of leeches ready to suck her dry. Sam Lufti almost bankrupted her before she was put into a mental health facility. At one point it was reported was spending $25k in Taco Bell a month paying for dozens of hangers on daily. M

Maybe her dad isn’t the best conservator but she needs one otherwise she will end up bankrupt and dead within a decade.

@JackieWeaverHandforthCouncil

The judge will have the full documentation in regards to her illness. They would not make a decision like this on shaky ground, not involving people who can sue them to high heaven.

She’s clearly more unwell than we realise. If her conservatorship ends there will be a fuck ton of leeches ready to suck her dry. Sam Lufti almost bankrupted her before she was put into a mental health facility. At one point it was reported was spending $25k in Taco Bell a month paying for dozens of hangers on daily. M

Maybe her dad isn’t the best conservator but she needs one otherwise she will end up bankrupt and dead within a decade.

But why can't she have the one she chooses? She wants the wealth management firm to do it; what's wrong with that?

My understanding is that responsibilities are split so her dad has joint control with a management company and they’ve appointed a woman to handle personal care related stuff.

Maybe they feel they want a family member to remain connected as many poorly educated entertainers throughout history have been robbed off their money/ royalties by money managers.

Her illness may make her see her dad as the issue but from what I’ve read he’s not been enriching himself at her expense.

I also feel her boyfriend is suspect. It would work for him to get daddy out of the way to Free Britney's money. That’s why he’s campaigning so hard.

It’s like the Truman Show. If her boyfriend is actually a paid employee then that poor girl doesn’t stand a chance of knowing what reality is anymore and making her way back to it.

Even if she still needs the guardianship surely at this point someone more appropriate should be appointed ?
Exactly how she wants it.
How can this happen, no wonder she feels voiceless.

I don't think she's performed anywhere since her Vegas residency ended in 2017, has she? So it's entirely possibly that she was ok to work until then and just can't any more.
The boyfriend - if he's real (which I strongly doubt) - isn't campaigning NEARLY hard enough, he's made occasional murmurs about it but nothing like an actual real partner would do if he thought she was actually enslaved in the way the #freebritney movement seems to think she is.

As to her father - well, as a number of posters have pointed out, people in her situation quite often take against the person who is their carer/conservator/POA etc - it's not at all unusual. Resentment, paranoia, a diminished sense of reality are sadly all too common with certain mental health issues and diseases.

I don't think she's performed anywhere since her Vegas residency ended in 2017, has she? So it's entirely possibly that she was ok to work until then and just can't any more.
Afaik she refused to perform until her Dad was removed as her guardian.
He was very much in the she is too ill camp throughout her years in Vegas.

Twickytwo Thu 01-Jul-21 08:05:11 The day of the court hearing, the BBC on the Today programme reported that she supposedly had a diagnosis of early onset dementia. This would mean that she progressively worsened and, I think, could be affected by a pregnancy.

If she has dementia then how is she remembering all the lyrics to her songs and dance routines and still able to preform to the level that she is?

allSpindleWhorl Thu 01-Jul-21 07:56:12 I honestly couldn't go and watch her perform now, knowing she's being used like this, performing so unhappily, against her will.

I think this is the answer for now. People stop paying to see her and filling up the pockets of her family. Anyone employing her is surely guilty of exploitation now knowing that she isn't getting the money she earns.

We don't know the full story around her situation but I do feel for her and I can't understand why the person in charge of her guardianship is allowed to make significant financial gains from their role.

Sounds like lots of people have a vested interest in keeping this goldengoose in her cage!

I read her full testimony and as worrying as it was, she also really didn’t seem well. The way she spoke was kind of manic and erratic.

Wtf I am so bloody angry about this and Cosby. Fucks sake!

In her shoes I'd walk into the British Consulate in New York and ask for asylum.