Page 4 | Judge has denied Britney Spears’s request!

PoisionIvy22 · 2021-07-01T06:29:33+00:00

....AIBU to think WTF?! What is actually going to her? I feel so sad waking up to that news this morning. Is the judge on the payroll too or something? It’s just awful [sad] Any judges here that can shed any light on why she can’t be free to live her life?

3Britnee · 01/07/2021 08:55

@PegasusReturns

I think it’s to do with the removal/change being requested without a medical assessment of Britney.

Brittney wants her father removed - there needs to be sound reasons for that happening and a challenge on the medical evidence that lead to the conservatorship being put in place would make sense but apparently hasn’t happened.

At the same time her father is also opposed to the current carer becoming the only personal conservator. Suggesting she is in some way dodgy. So that needs to be assessed.

It’s a total mess and seems extraordinary, but assume judge has info we don’t.

He's got a fucking cheek.

OrrisRoot · 01/07/2021 08:56

also can't imagine any of the doctors I know prescribing / fitting contraception for a woman who is clearly telling them she does not want it and understands the consequences.

I’m only being pernickity about this because it is a distressing thought.

She DID NOT say that. She said she still had “an IUD in [her] body” against her will. She didn’t say it was inserted against her will. The most you can reasonably deduct with confidence is that she is being denied a removal appointment.

Lampzade · 01/07/2021 08:57

@LucilleTheVampireBat

To be honest, I’m starting to not give a shit what reasons the judge had to say no because IMO in 2021 there is NO reason why a grown woman cannot have access to her own money, to spend it the way in which she chooses, to not be able to drive, to not be able to get married or have a child, to be able to go wherever she wants and move freely around etc, etc, the list goes on

Exactly this.

I wonder why batshit crazy fucknozzle Kanye West isn't subject to the same horrific conservatorship. Maybe looked after by his father. Oh, because he's a man.

This

firstimemamma · 01/07/2021 08:57

Heart-breaking. She needs and deserves her freedom.

beigebrownblue · 01/07/2021 08:58

@unwuthering

God, it's like the olden days when your male relatives could just have you committed to an asylum, on the most tenuous of grounds, for the term of your natural life, if you displeased them in some way.

Yes. As far as I'm aware your spouse can still do this.

Gives male relatives including husbands to chance to get your committed to a mental hospital and sectioned.

Gives male abusers the chance to do this. And then take over your money.

Catch twenty two for women. You will have difficulty then saying you were abused, as your husband or partner is already saying you are mentally ill.

AlternativePerspective · 01/07/2021 09:01

But she hasn’t actually requested to be released from the conservatorship has she? She has merely requested that her father not be her conservator, which tbh he hasn’t been, for many years now.

There is clearly a lot more going on here than any of us are privy to. This is the issue with one-sided reporting. The courts cannot report the detail they have, which leaves the other side free to essentially say and embellish as much as they want without challenge, and that in turn means people in the wider world make their own judgements based on information they don’t actually have.

TolkiensFallow · 01/07/2021 09:05

Conservatorship needs changing. It’s morally wrong.

MrsPelligrinoPetrichor · 01/07/2021 09:11

To be honest, I’m starting to not give a shit what reasons the judge had to say no because IMO in 2021 there is NO reason why a grown woman cannot have access to her own money, to spend it the way in which she chooses, to not be able to drive, to not be able to get married or have a child, to be able to go wherever she wants and move freely around etc, etc, the list goes on

I would suggest you have never known someone with severe mental illness. I'm not saying that this is the case with BS.

I would presume the judge knows more than the press.

Sweak · 01/07/2021 09:14

@LucilleTheVampireBat

To be honest, I’m starting to not give a shit what reasons the judge had to say no because IMO in 2021 there is NO reason why a grown woman cannot have access to her own money, to spend it the way in which she chooses, to not be able to drive, to not be able to get married or have a child, to be able to go wherever she wants and move freely around etc, etc, the list goes on

Exactly this.

I wonder why batshit crazy fucknozzle Kanye West isn't subject to the same horrific conservatorship. Maybe looked after by his father. Oh, because he's a man.

"batshit crazy fucknoozle'? That's not a way to describe someone who has bi polar. Comments like that helps no one and creates even more stigma around serious mental health issues.

Really not on.

Hedgehog123 · 01/07/2021 09:15

I was listening to two US lawyers discuss this the other day and one of them said that this type of conservatorship was usually only used where someone really has no capacity - ie they have dementia or something similar - Brittany may have mental health issues but as has been pointed out so do many people who still have control over their own lives and she has enough capacity to be performing very successfully in Vegas and making pots of money - from which she is given an allowance - an allowance from her own money! And her father gets a percentage from her earnings.

CorianderBee · 01/07/2021 09:17

I don't see why they can't give her a different conservator at least? She does not want her father. It's a human right abuse at this point... she hasn't committed any crimes.

Dwrcegin · 01/07/2021 09:19

@PoisionIvy22

To be honest, I’m starting to not give a shit what reasons the judge had to say no because IMO in 2021 there is NO reason why a grown woman cannot have access to her own money, to spend it the way in which she chooses, to not be able to drive, to not be able to get married or have a child, to be able to go wherever she wants and move freely around etc, etc, the list goes on.

Britney Spears had a breakdown, shaved her head and took a baseball bat to a car. Is it any wonder really? But that seems (publicly) to be the extent of her ‘crimes’ it ISN’T illegal for someone to have mental health issues FFS. Think of all the A-list Celebs out there that have mental health issues, that are hooked on drugs, that go around doing ‘bad ads’ shit, yet no one is locking them up?

If she wants to be free and wants to bloody overdose on class A’s and die the first night of the end of the conservatorship (and I don’t believe she will, I believe she’ll just want to live a quiet life for a while and enjoy being ‘free’) then that’s up to her and she should be allowed to do that if that’s what she wishers, because let’s face it, lots of others do.

So ignore my earlier comment about why the judge has denied. There isn’t any justification IMO.

100% agree.

If she is so ill and can't make her own decisions, why have they worked her so hard. She is making the men in charge of her millions.

If Britney was a man would she be under a conservatorship, I expect not.

TheReluctantPhoenix · 01/07/2021 09:19

It strikes me that there has been zero consistency or fairness in her treatment.

Why was she put on an anti Alzheimer’s drug and then taken off it? And then, the need for lithium. And, yet, throughout, she has been made to perform like a circus animal, despite there being sufficient funds for her to live her life in comfort and peace.

And why, even if she needed a conservator, would a court force her father upon her against her will? Surely she could at least be given a choice of court approved conservators?

Try as I might, I cannot think of a scenario where this is the right outcome and can only hope some high profile lawyer offers their services pro bono to her to end this.

For a supposedly civilised country, the U.S justice system is not fit for purpose.

Naunet · 01/07/2021 09:20

@Bluntness100

Well of course no one understands it, the vast majority of the information on this is sealed and the public are not being told. Clearly for her own privacy.

And?! Tell me one good reason why she’s capable of working, but not of driving or having access to her own money? There is ZERO good reason for that, and I won’t pretend that judges are gods who always make the right choice.

Pedalpushers · 01/07/2021 09:21

Whether she needs a conservator or not, I don't see ANY justification for her father remaining against her stated wishes (especially on the grounds of his testimony that removing him is against Britney's best wishes...WHAT). Any appointed person could carry out the role. If anything, her father is detrimental to her mental health (creating a viscious cycle where her deteriorating mental health is then used as further evidence against her) and he literally ATTACKED HER CHILD and caused them to be removed from her custody. How can any judge say that is in her best interests?

CrappyBirthday2Me · 01/07/2021 09:24

Can anyone explain to me why she goes along with the tours and performing? Yes they can decide for her but they can’t force her.

Pedalpushers · 01/07/2021 09:26

@CrappyBirthday2Me she said in her testimony that her managers threatened to sue her if she refused to perform.

theemmadilemma · 01/07/2021 09:26

I'm astonished, shocked , appalled. She's a grown ass woman being held hostage.

I can't fathom how nothing is being done? This is legal and no one is doing anything about this legal hostage abuse situation. We're all meant to just go, oh ok, that's fine then, carry on this must be ok. NO.

Bibidy · 01/07/2021 09:26

I can't understand this at all.

She is not even asking for the conservatorship to be removed, just for her dad not to be involved. She is happy for a neutral organisation to manage it, as they do in many other instances.

beigebrownblue · 01/07/2021 09:27

@CrappyBirthday2Me

Can anyone explain to me why she goes along with the tours and performing? Yes they can decide for her but they can’t force her.

I suspect it is a means of taking her own power back as best she can.

It is quite literally a way of keeping her voice.

How else would she do it?

Whinge · 01/07/2021 09:28

[quote Pedalpushers]@CrappyBirthday2Me she said in her testimony that her managers threatened to sue her if she refused to perform.[/quote]
Along with this, I also think it must be incredibly difficult to refuse to do something when those who are asking you to perform have so much control over all aspects of your life.

TooExtraImmatureCheddar · 01/07/2021 09:29

@Reallyreallyborednow

Do we have anything similar to conservatorship in the uk? Power of attorney, but that is if medical professionals deem you incapable of making decisions..

Surely a comprehensive MH assessment will deem her competent or not? Why isn’t it that simple?

Yes, in Scotland there are Guardianship Orders where a guardian can be appointed for adults without the capacity to manage their own affairs, and Corporate Appointees, which are similar but it's an approved organisation (usually the local authority but sometimes it can be eg solicitors' firms) who are responsible for managing the person's funds etc. Both require an assessment of the person's mental capacity before they can be put in place.

The difference seems to be that Britney really doesn't fit the profile of someone who can't manage her own affairs!

RaspberryRoyale88 · 01/07/2021 09:29

I am so disappointed and sad at this news. I really don’t understand. I suffer with mental health illness and it scares me how trapped Britney is.

FreeBritnee · 01/07/2021 09:29

She doesn’t want privacy!! She specifically asked for her testimony to be public!!!

Pedalpushers · 01/07/2021 09:32

Also, her conservators used her refusal to perform as justification to send her to a rehab facility, and she likely knows full well that will affect her child custody.