Matt Hancock affair (3)

[TheoMeo]

Surely you would have cameras in a Government building and surely pointing it at doorways between different areas or departments isn't a bad idea.
It looks like a screenshot of a cctv security camera monitor.

@Piglet89

Indeed *@Dustyboots. Thatcher said it first - but in the mind of people like @Scaredycatmoo76* there literally is no such thing as society.

Thatcher’s children, isn’t it? That vile woman’s influence is still alive and well.

I genuinely cannot get my head round that thought process.

We are comfortably off, have kept our professional services jobs, working away, can afford a nanny to allow us to do so, pre-school age child so no need to home school. We are extremely fortunate.

But that good fortune doesn’t cause us to switch off the critical thinking and empathic parts of our brains, which enable us to imagine what it might be like to be poorer, unhealthy, more vulnerable to this dreadful disease. To try to imagine what it might be like to lose a job, to lose a parent, to lose a grip of one’s sanity. To assess the evidence and decide that BJ’s government have pretty much made a hash of dealing with the pre-vaccine pandemic.

God, I really, really loathe the Tories.

@Piglet89

I genuinely cannot get my head round that thought process.

We are comfortably off, have kept our professional services jobs, working away, can afford a nanny to allow us to do so, pre-school age child so no need to home school. We are extremely fortunate.

But that good fortune doesn’t cause us to switch off the critical thinking and empathic parts of our brains, which enable us to imagine what it might be like to be poorer, unhealthy, more vulnerable to this dreadful disease. To try to imagine what it might be like to lose a job, to lose a parent, to lose a grip of one’s sanity. To assess the evidence and decide that BJ’s government have pretty much made a hash of dealing with the pre-vaccine pandemic.

God, I really, really loathe the Tories.

I think the key there is “we”

You’re not a single parent with no support network whatsoever are you?

I think the key there is “we”. You’re not a single parent with no support network whatsoever are you?

I was - for 15 years. I’m with @Piglet89.

I see that Boris Johnson, on the campaign trail in Batley today, is stepping back from his support of Hancock, indicating that he had to go.

@Scaredycatmoo76 the general consensus, single parents or not, seems to be resoundingly against your incredibly selfish world view.

Maybe have a wee think about that. Or don’t - no skin off my nose.

@Scaredycatmoo76

And because that’s how we all emerge from this

I think gov done pretty decently

As I say, different personal experience would undoubtedly lead to a different view

The government has done pretty decently? It is being reported now that the Prime Minister does not know whether or not he sacked Hancock.

I'd be very grateful, because my memory is clearly as bad as the Prime Ministers could suggest perhaps a half dozen things that the government has done well over the past year.

Johnson trying to get back in control of the story by implying today that he sacked Hancock, when we know he didn’t, just makes him look silly and weak.

Be careful in life as you never know what's around the corner.
People who are fortunate now may not be in a few months time. Job loses, ill health , maybe an unforeseen accident and your money and home could well be gone. I've seen it happen to those who believed they were always going to be ' fine'. Many friends I know are now divorced and struggling when it was fine for them before.
I have lots of empathy for those that lost loved ones or their jobs this past year and a bit, those struggling with children and work , those that couldn't see their loved ones, it's been tough
Obviously not for every single person, but for millions some have really have suffered and will be for a long time to come.
Never boast about how good it is, it can be taken away in the blink of an eye.
Just count your blessings and try to see how it is for other people. Obviously that isn't easy for some who live in their ' I'm alright Jack ' bubble.

@ScribblyBaller

Johnson trying to get back in control of the story by implying today that he sacked Hancock, when we know he didn’t, just makes him look silly and weak.

Even the daily mail are a bit ' wtf' over that one! What a tool.

absolute numpty

I cannot cope with 'I've been fine in this pandemic' which means the Govt has done a good job... attitudes.

I know how lucky I am... because of my time in life, because we don't have DCs dependent any more, because we're comfortably off, and because of where we live...
However... some of the stories I've heard that other people have been through makes me realise that I am just a lucky one, and people have been through absolute hell during this pandemic and it's not over yet.

Yes, this Govt were quick off the mark with vaccines but that was because of the care homes fiasco, the total flip flopping on decisions, the opaqueness of what we were being told, the india borders open vanity reason, the Cummings effect and so on...
They knew they had to get something right so threw everything at the vaccine program. That does not take away from the mistakes.

@Blossomtoes

I think the key there is “we”. You’re not a single parent with no support network whatsoever are you?

I was - for 15 years. I’m with @Piglet89.

So now presumably your children are adults?!

Point is. At this stage in my life - I’m selfish. And I own it.

When children grown, I remarry (can’t imagine anything worse atm but that may change) ans I don’t need to work as hard as I do…. Then I may consider “society” more closely!

@Scaredycatmoo76 “I own it”.

Wow, well done you. You want a medal for being open about the fact you’re colossally selfish?

It’s nothing to be proud of.

So now presumably your children are adults?!

Yes and? I never ever bought into your attitude. I was always very well aware that my little boat could be capsized by a massive wave at any time and I wanted a government that would treat me well if that happened. But by your standards I should have been perfectly happy that Thatcher was grinding the faces of the poor because it wasn’t me.

@Blossomtoes

So now presumably your children are adults?!

Yes and? I never ever bought into your attitude. I was always very well aware that my little boat could be capsized by a massive wave at any time and I wanted a government that would treat me well if that happened. But by your standards I should have been perfectly happy that Thatcher was grinding the faces of the poor because it wasn’t me.

I suspect I’ll be saying similar in ten years time when my children are adults

@Scaredycatmoo76

Your mistake is being too honest. But your post has given me food for thought.

I often wonder if this is the reality behind the way many people who are reasonably comfortable think: a list of objectives that once fulfilled allow one to think everything by extension is ok.

Of course you can argue that evaluating a government's performance by how those experiencing hardship feel is no more moral than evaluating it by how those who are doing well feel.

All a matter of perspective. Hmm

Johnson - trying to lie his way out of it again. Four days ago the matter was closed!

[quote Piglet89]@Scaredycatmoo76 “I own it”.

Wow, well done you. You want a medal for being open about the fact you’re colossally selfish?

It’s nothing to be proud of.[/quote]
Never said it was

The added bonus of commenting that one thinks the government has done a pretty decent job in the circumstances is that it is like throwing a Grenade on mumsnet

I’ll bow out now

I'd have thought families were more vulnerable to the winds of change/government policies the younger their children are.

@Notonthestairs

I'd have thought families were more vulnerable to the winds of change/government policies the younger their children are.

They are. Which is what makes this attitude so incomprehensible.

I had an operation during lockdown. Care was superb. I was able to see my gp

I had a major spinal injury 12 months ago. I've never been seen by my gp. My pain was so bad I ended up in a and e. I was given physio over the phone. I've had to pay for private treatment to get any improvement in my pain levels. I'm still in pain.

There are a record 5.1 million people on NHS waiting lists.

Can you not comprehend that you've been lucky and thousands haven't? I find your attitude frankly disgusting.

I don't know what GP is anymore. Haven't seen any for over a year and am doubtful I will ever again. A friend of mine was given an ovarian cancer diagnosis by a stand in GP that she had no relationship with over the phone! Her own GP has reduced the time they answer calls to 2 days a week. I find it truly abhorrent.

I'd say I have done OK, our pensions are paid, we have no debt, we have a nice mortgage free house, two newish cars on the drive, we've had our jabs and managed to stay healthy, well DH is disabled but nothing due to covid. I still don't think the govt have done well, I think I've been lucky.

I don’t know why we’re all engaging with @Scaredycatmoo76’s ridiculously weak argument as to why the government has done well…it’s akin to saying “Well, I attended Cambridge from a state school; absolutely nothing at all wrong with the education system from where in I’m standing”.

Not really worth any credence.