Matt Hancock affair (3)

[TheoMeo]

Surely you would have cameras in a Government building and surely pointing it at doorways between different areas or departments isn't a bad idea.
It looks like a screenshot of a cctv security camera monitor.

Brandon Lewis is a charmless twat. They can't even fake a bit of humanity.

Trevor Philips was so dignified, I felt like crying so I don't know how he held it together to tell his story. BL just turned it into some generic thing and ignored this human being sharing a story with him.

I didn't know anything about BL but I think he's pretty vile.

The fact that the whip's office produces a spreadsheet of sexual rumour and innuendo as a tool for control then it's not difficult to imagine covertly bugging minister's offices would be a part of that control toolkit. Very sinister and quite, quite chilling. Moreso in that Gavin Williamson prepared it for Theresa May in her attempts to hold onto power. God only knows what lines Johnson and his pals are prepared to cross.

I'm fairly sure if Boris wanted/was going to to oust MH it wouldn't be by catching him out in an illicit office rendezvous because, well, that's a bit pot and kettle. I don't think it has his fingerprints on it

If BJ wanted rid setting him up like this would work .He couldn't fire him for being useless - too late in the day ,there'd be accusations as to why not done earlier .Couldn't fire him for having an affair ( as that's his own MO ).This coming out and MH having to fall on his sword works .

@bollihigh that only gets rid of three of the cabinet and the Prime Minister. I want 18 of the 20 members of the cabinet including the Prime Minister to go.

Jacob Rees-Mogg wants rape victims who become pregnant by their attacker to carry their child to birth, so that's one down, so makes five.

Priti Patel breaking the ministerial code, so that's six.
Brandon Lewis gave enough reason with the Trevor Philips interview, makes seven.

Ideas for reasons other than incompetence for the other 11?

I think Johnson looks a bit weakened by the whole situation. On Friday he accepts Hancock's explanation and says he considers 'the matter to be closed'. The next day Hancock resigns. Doesn't say much for the PM's authority.

@newnortherner111 - not that I could share on a public forum that wouldn't get a knock on the door from MrPlod I'm afraid. Prayers (though I'm not religious) or voodoo maybe! If only we had a time machine....

@JaniieJones

'The 30,000 care home residents who died when he was apparently protecting them while sending untested hospital discharges their way don’t count?'

There is more and more evidence emerging that symptomless transmission isn't as common as thought and perhaps not the cause of the large amount of care home deaths with untested discharged residents. Staff taking it in to care homes and other visiting hcps may have been the cause.

Look, again he waz stupid, reckless and has resigned. That does not negate the stuff he did well. The nhs coped with the surges, the vaccination programme which yes the nhs implemented but as health minister he was directly involved.

I just can't understand this mentality that he told us to do things and we didn't have to if he snogged his gf? No, we did have to to control the spread. His very recent ill-advised office grope shouldn't have happened but it did and he has gone. Those restrictions regarding funerals and hospital visits were still necessary!

The home I work in had an outbreak, definitely connected to a resident and a hospital visit. That resident and the carer who collected her had the virus before anyone else in the home got it, resident tested positive first, but it spread to several other residents and members of staff. Everyone had negative tests before she came back to the home.

Not to mention the homes where staff moved in for the first lockdown. I have an elderly relative in just such a home, again a resident returning from hospital introduced the virus.

@peridito

I'm fairly sure if Boris wanted/was going to to oust MH it wouldn't be by catching him out in an illicit office rendezvous because, well, that's a bit pot and kettle. I don't think it has his fingerprints on it

If BJ wanted rid setting him up like this would work .He couldn't fire him for being useless - too late in the day ,there'd be accusations as to why not done earlier .Couldn't fire him for having an affair ( as that's his own MO ).This coming out and MH having to fall on his sword works .

Shock horror at finding out about the email account would have been easier.

'While we were being psychologically abused over wanting to visit in someone elses house for Christmas'

'Psychologically abused, what utter hyperbole. Why do people say stuff like this. Granted MH should have followed his own advice but that doesn't take away from the fact at Christmas there was a massive surge 4000 daily admissions leading to newly 2k daily deaths later in Jan.

Are you seriously suggesting Christmas should have carried on as normal because MH would snog his gf 5 months later?!!

This 'they've broken the rules so I'm going to next time' is really childish and quite bizarre.

Do some of you still not understand infectious diseases need restrictions to reduce spread?

OMG, that list is so depressing. Why are these people incapable of conducting themselves decently and not as creepy, inappropriate leches?

Have any newspapers published this list? And if not why not?

they don't want to be sued presumably.

My DC 23/21/19, entirely put their love lives on hold and have mostly lived like bloody monks.
One (a nurse) moved out as they were working on a covid respiratory unit.
Nice to know that at least the Cock was getting his end away.

If BJ wanted rid setting him up like this would work .He couldn't fire him for being useless - too late in the day ,there'd be accusations as to why not done earlier .Couldn't fire him for having an affair ( as that's his own MO ).This coming out and MH having to fall on his sword works

Or maybe he was presented with a dossier, courtesy of the Sun, of all his misdemeanours that are to come out and chose the affair sword to die on rather than PPE contracts/email acct. It still doesn't necessarily point to it being of Boris Johnson's making . Who knows who has what information at the moment. Tis very murky waters.

Unless of course people are thinking that maybe they concocted this together and this route out works for both of them. Anything's possible I suppose.

That list was from 2017 it caused a minor stir at the time but most papers shied away from digging deeper. It was an internal tory document that leaked out.

order-order.com/2017/10/29/tory-aides-spreadsheet-names-36-sex-pest-mps/

I am glad people have mentioned the Trevor Philips/Brandon Lewis interview. I was almost in tears as Trevor Philips told his story and yet Brandon Lewis brushed it off with a 'we've all suffered' comment. Ghastly man.

@Octopuscake

Very few of us have been as pure as the cold driven snow through lockdown

I disagree actually- I think there have been many many acts of quiet heroism and most people have stepped up.

People reassuring their old parents by phone, people forfeiting seeing beloved grandchildren when they don't know how many years they have left to spend with them, people working 20 hour days for months so they can care for children and keep their jobs...people keeping their mental health afloat, alone in small flats for weeks on end without so much as a friendly hug. People getting up and going into work delivering food. Imagine the bravery of showing up for your bus driving shift as an obese man, age 50, from an ethnicity known to be more likely to die, with a young family at home to support, knowing 20% of your colleagues have already been hospitalised. And that's without even touching on nurses, doctors, paramedics, health staff.

Hancock's flagrant disregard for everyone else's sacrifice is the scumbag's failure. Cunt.

This with bells on. More eloquently put than I could manage but I agree with every word.

Do some of you still not understand infectious diseases need restrictions to reduce spread?

When they did a survey apparently 85% of the population follow the restrictions. (that may have dropped now, but that is what it was)

It's just a shame that Matt Hancock, the Secretary of State for Health, and instrumental in setting these restrictions, could not be one of the 85% don't you think?

Do some of you still not understand infectious diseases need restrictions to reduce spread?

When will you stop making excuses for this shower of shits? They didn't seem to fussed about controlling the spread themselves. Like Johnson who boasted about shaking hands with Covid patients he thought he was immune until the silly chump caught it himself. He began how they planned to carry on.

I am glad people have mentioned the Trevor Philips/Brandon Lewis interview. I was almost in tears as Trevor Philips told his story and yet Brandon Lewis brushed it off with a 'we've all suffered' comment. Ghastly man

Yes, it brought a tear to my eye. And I think Trevor did not tell his story lightly.
I think he was as furious as the rest of us and felt that by saying what he did, he could highlight the disgusting hypocrisy

@bollihigh

There seems to be considerable establishment front building to topple Johnson. He would probably welcome being pushed out of office to spend more time with his child. Hancock has turned out to be a most vile creature.

Would be dangerous because as much as a knob that he is, Boris is an election winning machine, like Blair was.

The Tories nearly lost power in 2017.

Yes, we are truly between a rock and a hard place. Johnson might buy a snap election in the autumn if the runes are looking good and resign soon to a life of riches and renewed debauchery. Though Gordon Brown tried that gamble and lost.

@JaniieJones Lucy Easthope called it the worst psychological torture she has ever seen.

And there was plenty of outcry about the SNP MP There were threads on here and it was all over the news.
So yet more fucking gaslighting.

'When will you stop making excuses for this shower of shits? They didn't seem to fussed about controlling the spread themselves.'

I'm not 'making excuses'. I am acknowledging he broke the SD rules (although on May 6th they were pretty lax tbh), and he resigned. That doesn't mean all the restrictions shouldn't ever have been in place though. There seems a mindset on mn that he broke social distancing guidelines so therefore everyone should or that they should never have been in place. I don't get it.

Fwiw I thought BL in the interview was respectful acknowledging many people had endured tragedy and it has not been easy but restrictions have been necessary.