Father in law won’t get vaccinated but wants to visit

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We are in Australia. The vaccination program is ludicrously slow and behind other nations, and totally voluntary. We have our first appointment booked for a few weeks from now (first available!). We are also currently in lockdown.
My daughter is a medically vulnerable person.
Father in law is clearly hesitant about the vax. Not clear how anti it is, but changes the subject when we talk about it and makes statements such as: “I live in the country and don’t have kids at school, so no risk to me”. He hasn’t outright said no, but it’s clear, and he swings towards alternative treatments etc.
He wants to visit us “as soon as lockdown ends”, which is likely to be after our first jab, but not the second. We haven’t seen him since January 2019. It would be good to see him.
I don’t want an unvaccinated visitor. I want to say: “we need you to be vaccinated before you visit”. Being older, he can get an immediate appointment. He is 70, he should absolutely get one.
AIBU? I don’t want him here or travelling unvaccinated. I’m aware we will have no way of knowing who is and who isn’t and my daughter will be mixing with people all the time.
So what are people doing with hesitant visitors when you are adamantly pro vax? How do you discuss it?

@DysonSphere

Let's be real, there will be global restrictions including no international travel without vaccination.

Yes because you and others like you, in the desire to be 'good' or heroic - I don't know what it is - fear? are giving them this right Giving it to them. Asking. Pleading. Begging for it. It's a power hungry governments wet dream and the emergence of social credit by the back door. We have already adopted a Chinese solution to a Chinese (alledgedly) evolved problem. That should concern us. It somehow doesn't.

Tell me why you are comfortable giving away to big government the right to request you MUST take something into your body or be restricted from doing basic things like travel within your own country?? Just why?

I must live in another dimension. I swear to god, people fought wars to avoid things like this not long ago, and now people want to impose restrictions on family members, and are happy to live the rest of their lives and their children's lives having compulsory boosters for each Greek letter variant in order to go about their lives.

All this and yet there has never been world wide scientific consensus about how to proceed with Covid. Not even in this country.

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@DownSideUpped

No, it wasn’t. That wouldn’t make sense, either statistically or medically. It might have been what you understood, but it’s not what was said. And even if it had been what was said, wouldn’t you have thought, “Well, how does that work, then?”

It’s not what I understood, because I know what efficacy means. It’s what people around me said, over and over. People saying (real example) that if all 100 people in our music group get vaccinated then only 5 of them are at risk of catching covid. This was said by (in writing) a barrister.

Perhaps you shouldn't be taking medical advice from a barrister.

But if you are willing to do that, I know a baker who can give you chapter and verse on open-cast mining.

It was also touted on here a lot about the 10 in 100 or whatever foolishness, they would then start to through the usual anti vax routine when the error was pointed out. Conversations would get back to a bit of sanity and someone else would pop up and say the same. All part of fake news.

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-only-one-in-10-to-be-protected-from-covid-19-in-first-year-of-vaccine-use-12072473

Headlines like this were in the headlines a lot.

I’m not doing anything lol it’s their choice and I just don’t care lol

@DysonSphere

Let's be real, there will be global restrictions including no international travel without vaccination.

Yes because you and others like you, in the desire to be 'good' or heroic - I don't know what it is - fear? are giving them this right Giving it to them. Asking. Pleading. Begging for it. It's a power hungry governments wet dream and the emergence of social credit by the back door. We have already adopted a Chinese solution to a Chinese (alledgedly) evolved problem. That should concern us. It somehow doesn't.

Tell me why you are comfortable giving away to big government the right to request you MUST take something into your body or be restricted from doing basic things like travel within your own country?? Just why?

I must live in another dimension. I swear to god, people fought wars to avoid things like this not long ago, and now people want to impose restrictions on family members, and are happy to live the rest of their lives and their children's lives having compulsory boosters for each Greek letter variant in order to go about their lives.

All this and yet there has never been world wide scientific consensus about how to proceed with Covid. Not even in this country.

B- for this blustery, hyperbolic essay.

@WalkingOnTheCracks

It was sold (via media) that 90% effective meant 90% of vaccinated people wouldn’t catch it (or suffer from it, I should say).

No, it wasn’t. That wouldn’t make sense, either statistically or medically. It might have been what you understood, but it’s not what was said. And even if it had been what was said, wouldn’t you have thought, “Well, how does that work, then?”

@WalkingOnTheCracks @DownSideUpped

Absolutely, it’s a common misconception but that’s certainly never what it was sold as. It’s maybe what some people assumed.

I have some excellent anecdata from sydneys super spreader party for those debating vaccine effectiveness. Obviously the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t catch it but this scenario is within the expected range. (You have to be aware reading this that in australia we track every single case, map where they have been, declare them contact sites and everyone who was there at the same time has to test and isolate. They can do this because nsw’s serious outbreak had 18 new cases today, slightly less than 4 per million people.)

@Canigooutyet

news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-only-one-in-10-to-be-protected-from-covid-19-in-first-year-of-vaccine-use-12072473

Headlines like this were in the headlines a lot.

‘Protected’ does not mean ‘immune’.

An unbrella will protect you from the rain, but it won’t stop you getting a bit wet.

‘Umbrella’, even. The typo went umnoticed.

As others have said, being vaccinated doesn't mean you can't carry the virus,l.

@timeisnotaline

I have some excellent anecdata from sydneys super spreader party for those debating vaccine effectiveness. Obviously the vaccine doesn’t mean you can’t catch it but this scenario is within the expected range. (You have to be aware reading this that in australia we track every single case, map where they have been, declare them contact sites and everyone who was there at the same time has to test and isolate. They can do this because nsw’s serious outbreak had 18 new cases today, slightly less than 4 per million people.)

I'm not intending to be pedantic about this report. It's interesting but seems to suggest that if you're not vaccinated, you'll definitely catch it. The diamond princess (and other confined quarters situations) show us that not everyone will catch the virus.

@GabriellaMontez this is the reality of the delta variant, it is the ‘fastest and fittest’ variant yet. Transmission rate is incredibly high.

According to the WHO, the Delta variant is 50-60 per cent more transmissible than the Alpha variant which was 50-60 per cent more transmissable than the original strain of COVID-19 (Ruby Princess).

What yellow says Gabriela- this is the delta variant in live action. Not everyone exposed will get it, but have a smallish party inside so everyone mingles with everyone, no masks, and there’s a good chance everyone unvaccinated gets it. The diamond princess etc data doesn’t apply.