Short school skirts

[Kteeb1]

AIBU to think the reason given to me for girls not wearing skirts at school is worrying? So just been called by the school. Apparently all parents have been because girls skirts are very short and it's against school policy. I can only assume the little tyke (13) is rolling her school skirt up because it's not short when she leaves the house and ill sort it when she gets in, but I am concerned with what the female teacher said to me. The reason why the girls skirts shouldn't be short is because male teachers and other boys may feel uncomfortable. Also out of school grounds the girls might be attacked. And young girls must learn to protect their dignity. I have no problem with a uniform and following it, but if male teachers are uncomfortable in seeing a 13 year old with a short skirt, should they really be teaching? And why are we saying what a person wears means they may be attacked. I did ask if any girls had been attacked and I didn't get an answer. I just think it's a really bad message that girls have to change what they wear for those reasons.

YABU.

I think as young the ‘my body my rules’ is not quite right, this can be seen across all of celebrity culture and it’s no wonder young girls picking it up too. When’s the last time most female ‘celebs’ had their clothes fully on either, this Kardashian culture is based entirely on their bodies. I could be here all day. Body positivity movement is almost always women scantily clad showing off their bodies, even loose women did it!

Then they are taught that you have the right to wear/do/say whatever you like, freedom of speech and expression… no girl should be sexualised or assaulted just for her outfits - men should be able to control themselves

It’s no wonder it’s confusing, I would rather work on positively educating them and building self confidence and esteem rather than all this slut shaming.

*Girls have been hoiking up their skirts since long before the current generation of soft-porn music videos.

Two reasons I'd advance for them doing it:

1. Conformity - everyone else does it
2. Teenage rebellion - you know that adults don't like it*

Yes, @DdraigGoch, I rolled up my school skirt when I started secondary in 1966. Almost everyone did, and the girls who didn't were regarded as pretty uncool. It was nothing to do with boys, it was a single-sex school, and had an all-female staff until 1970. It was just a fashion thing.

We had to wear regulation navy-blue cotton knickers though and it was specified that they couldn't be bikini knickers (thongs etc weren't a thing then). Which makes me wonder if schools might do better if they included knickers like this www.marksandspencer.com/anti-chafing-shorts-with-cool-comfort/p/clp60165135?color=ROSEQUARTZ#intid=prodColourId-60500299 in their uniform policy? Girls would probably keep their skirts rolled down rather than have those on display!

For reasons I have never understood, enforcing skirt-length at my school was the responsibility of the PE staff. Every now and then, we'd all have to line up in the gym and kneel on the floor, while the teacher walked along with a yardstick and checked that none of our hems were more than 2" off the ground.

When maxi-skirts became fashionable, they introduced a maximum length as well (at least 9" above the ground iirc), so the PE teachers had to monitor those as well.

I was discussing it with my dd this morning (who always wears trousers) and she said its usually the other girls who choose to roll them up. The boys dont seem to care or have an opinion, but that most of the girls think the shorter skirts look better than the knee length ones which make them "look like nuns"

Admittedly the schools round here generally have kilt style skirts which are hard to roll up (which is the point of them) and are definitely more along the lines of the pic of the australian school skirts above, or only a bit shorter than that.

I work in a school and some of the girls roll their skirts ridiculously short. I’ve lost count of the number of times girls have said to me, “ you shouldn’t be looking at my bum” when I’ve asked them to roll them down. That, if anything, may be what makes people feel uncomfortable.

What about just replying

"well why are you showing everyone your bum then?

@Kteeb1

I think my problem is by saying short skirts make male teachers uncomfortable, rather than all teachers, it is sexulising them. Saying that a girl may be attacked because her skirt is short is both untrue and dangerous. As I said I have no issues with a uniform policy being enforced. I have just had a discussion with said child and confirmed this, and confirmed that I wouldn't be able to wear what I am wearing (an off the shoulder top) at work. But not because my male colleagues wouldn't be able to control themselves or I may get raped on the tube, but because its not professional. If I get raped on the tube its nothing to do with what I was wearing. Sarah Everard was wearing a coat and hat and gloves. It's a bad message to give our young people, boys and girls.

It does make us all uncomfortable. It's incredibly awkward walking upstairs behind someone wearing a skirt so short you can see their pants or their bumcheeks.

The difference is as a woman I can tell them to pull their skirt down a bit but male teachers are too scared to comment on car they're called a pervert.

*in case

@commonsensey

this may not be popular, but as a man I can't help look if there is a young woman in a very short skirt, particularly if she has shapely legs/nice figure. So obs it feels a bit wrong if that's a school uniform, but there again my DW is quite happy to dress up in one of those for fun. However I would never dream of doing anything bad to an actual schoolgirl, and I think I am subtle when noticing them (I dont stare or follow or anything). Think its a reality - if they chose to wear them, I'm gonna look, soz.

You are disgusting.

@emolisntdead
Do you have a teen daughter? Your post has made me feel sick 🤢

Sorry I quoted the wrong poster, that's to the bloke who likes checking out school girls

If the skirts have to be a certain length for school uniform, that is the limit. We pull boys up for having their underwear on show, or having their shirt hanging out. The girls need to stop pushing the boundaries.

The response was ridiculous and getting attacked or raped has nothing to do with what a women wears. However it is inappropriate to wear a skirt so short your bum cheeks are on show in a school setting and you might want to address that with your child. Outside of school she can wear what she wants. I went to an all girls school and plenty of girls would do similar, so I don't think wanting male attention has much to do with it.

this may not be popular, but as a man I can't help look if there is a young woman in a very short skirt, particularly if she has shapely legs/nice figure

I’m pretty sure as an adult you have full control over your faculties, you can help it - you choose not to.

Anyone else find it 'odd' that @commonsensey managed to find a 3 month old thread so he could make a creepy justification comment about looking at young girls in short skirts??

@commonsensey do you find children attractive?

As a female teacher I find short skirts on pupils very uncomfortable. I have no hesitation in challenging them about it either! When it was fashionable for young people to wear jeans so low their underwear showed I told them the same thing!!! In my workplace I don’t want to see anyone’s underwear!!!!

@Mymapuddlington

I have seen schoolgirls wearing short skirts and it makes me feel uncomfortable. Usually a flash of knickers or bum cheeks hanging out, just awful.

Same. I’m a teacher at a school that has trousers for girls and boys to avoid this. I get the bus to work and every morning three girls from another school get on the bus and their skirts are so obscenely short that you can see their bum and genitals as they climb up the stairs to the top deck of the bus.

I’ve had male friends who are teachers at other schools say that when they have reprimanded the girls at their school for wearing skirts that don’t adhere to the school uniform code (by a long margin) they get accusations of “Sir you’re a Pedo!” or “Sir, why are you looking down there?!”

I’m a female teacher and I’m uncomfortable with it. As I would be if male students wore hot pants so short and tight you could see their thighs and bum and scrotum. That would be the equivalent.

OP think you completely underestimate just how many girls take the utter piss with school skirts and underestimate the teenage desire for male attention and to “look hot”. (I even did it at school when I was younger!)

if male teachers are uncomfortable in seeing a 13 year old with a short skirt, should they really be teaching?

Are you suggesting male teachers should be comfortable and in support with seeing 13 year old girls in miniskirts? Weird.

@ProfPickles

I'm female and work in a school and the girls in short skirts make me feel uncomfortable.

They're so short I see one of their bums every single day and these are children. I don't want to see the bums of children and girls wearing skirts so short that if you walk behind them up the stairs you can see up.

I feel like the boys uniforms present them as smart preparing for the work place (one argument made for a smart uniform) and the girls does them a disservice because mini skirts so short you can see bum cheeks every day isn't good enough. The women working there wouldn't be allowed to wear them so why are our girls seen as less important?

I'm always a bit confused when people stick up for girls wearing tiny skirts, it just seems like an obvious way girls are sexualised from a young age

Agree with this. And because the girls at our loca school roll the skirts up obscenely short, they have to wear opaque tights even in high summer. During covid restrictions they were wearing PE uniform all day on those days to avoid changing. The PE uniform skorts for girls are very short, but having the shorts element means no bum/gusset flashing and very much more appropriate. It’s not necessarily about the length but avoiding indecent exposure or the discomfort anyone might feel at seeing too much.

My 16 year old son has to wear a suit to sixth form and he looks really professional and smart. I really can’t say the same about the girls who wear skirts that are far too short in an office. My son said the girls are always getting told off about their skirts. I use to roll my skirt, but I did not have my Arse cheeks on show.

There’s a simple solution to all this. Require the girls to wear pleated skirts or kilts anywhere from entirely covering the knee to 10” from the floor.

I’m in the States, and see girls in uniform school skirts so short I know what color thongs they are wearing. I’m embarrassed for them. The whole world should not be your gynecologist.
I can also see Ivy League university coeds wearing tiny Daisy Dukes to class. My granny panties cover more. It’s just not appropriate. No decent workplace woukd permit this.

If boys went around in tiny bum skimming shorts at school, I would also think it was a bad idea. They don’t tend to do it though.

I would do away with skirts entirely. I have teen girls at a strict all girls state school who roll their skirts up 🙄🙄. Every morning I nag. It’s not for boys or men it’s simply that it’s “square” to have a long skirt anyone remotely cool has a mini. It’s not a sexual thing at all.