Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

It’s important to get vaccinated to help protect those who genuinely can’t be vaccinated due to health conditions.

@wildeverose

When working in care you're with the most vulnerable group of people, that Covid will very likely kill. Of course all care home staff should be vaccinated - no ones forcing anyone to work in one. Get the jab or get another job - it really is that simple.

This, essentially

No.
A resident pays the home a fee.
The NHS pay the FNC, which is the funded nursing care element.
That is the difference between residential care homes and nursing homes.
The home sets a fee for their care, the NHS decides who is eligible to receive nursing care and funds them appropriately.

It is, quite literally my job to know this. So sorry but you are mistaken.

@bollihigh

Somebody needed to stick their head above the parapet and say that.

I work in medicine therefore I've had my hepatitis B vaccine and my seasonal flu every year. SARS-CoV-2 is just another to add to what is expected of me so I don't kill my patients. I signed up to protecting them so will continue to do so.

@Bryonyshcmyony

To be fair to the posters mocking a PP about her blood type, there does seem to be lots of data that O blood types don't catch or suffer bad symptoms of Covid.

That's nice to know. Such a relief that those days and weeks feeling like I was being crushed slowly, knowing I couldn't get an ambulance unless I lost consciousness, even when I woke up feeling like I was drowning on fluid, because they were too busy, those subsequent months feeling like my heart was going to burst from the effort of standing up and the following ones where I couldn't go up a flight of stairs without feeling like I was about to collapse weren't 'bad symptoms' - and all because I have O+. Remarkable.

Suppose I didn't die, though. That would have been a very bad symptom. Like it has been for a number of people I know of varying ethnicity/age/health (including good health right up to the point at which they caught it and died).

Every pharmacy I've been past in the last week or so has had huge queues outside of people waiting for their vaccine. All ages (except elderly, as they've been done already), all ethnicities, all walks of life, including those with their NHS passes still attached to their clothing.

Birth control pills and HRT are statistically more dangerous than the covid vaccinations... get a grip.

If you are young and don’t have children I would be resistant if you feel uneasy. Do not be bullied into having the vaccine if you are not comfortable with the idea.💐

@bollihigh

In many parts of Asia sticking your parents in a care home is an anathema may be in the west we are losing it in some respects morally and ethically and blaming hard-working minimum wage carers deflects from having a long hard look in the mirror.

Very true and probably a reason for multiple generational living among particular BAME majority communities throughout many metropolitan areas.

Post pandemic positive elements of these alternative cultural lifestyle characteristics can possibly be considered a possibility for many other Brits too. I am not sure what happened to the concept of the granny flat living next door? Possibly more to do with blended family structures, divorce and single parent households etc.

@bookish83

As an aside, if you have e a relative who is self funded in a nursing home and the home hasn't been transparent with you in regards to the NHS funding their nursing care then I would advise you to have a discussion with them about this.

This is of course dependent upon your relative having been assessed as requiring nursing care and not merely being resident within a nursing home in a residential capacity; in which case they would not be deemed as requiring the twenty four hour care of registered nursing staff in any case.

O negative seems to be the magic blood type

Anecdotally which I am aware is not the same as data etc etc

Only myself and another O-ve nurse did not contract covid during our outbreak.

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

Your choice is to literally not work in healthcare.

@ZednotZee

No. A resident pays the home a fee. The NHS pay the FNC, which is the funded nursing care element. That is the difference between residential care homes and nursing homes. The home sets a fee for their care, the NHS decides who is eligible to receive nursing care and funds them appropriately.

It is, quite literally my job to know this. So sorry but you are mistaken.

A privately funded nursing home resident pays their own 'living' fees. You are pedantically splitting their invoice into nursing and residential yet implying that taxes fund a stay. Taxes may fund the 'nursing' element but residents still pay £800+ to live there if they self fund

First, millions have taken the vaccine. I am among them. Hundreds have had serious adverse reactions. The numbers are way, WAY in your favor. The second vaccination (I had Pfizer) left me miserable for about 60 hours, then I was fine. Considering what COVID does, I thought it was a good deal. Second the vaccines protect, to some degree or another, from MOST variants, although not every vaccine protects from ALL variants. However, "most" is also a good deal.

In this case, your only choices are to be vaccinated (and the company HAS to put patient safety first, of COURSE!) or quit. Me? If I had it to do over, I'd still be first in line for vaccinations.

Everyone stop insulting the op, she's obviously far more intelligent than the millions and millions of people who have been vaccinated. I can't wait to see her TED talk.

@PinkiOcelot

I don’t think anyone should be made to have the vaccine against their will. Let’s just throw our human rights and body autonomy down the pan. What will it be next?!!

Locking us all up - Oh but wait ....

@bookish83

I am not splitting hairs.
I was replying to the pp who alluded to residents 'paying for me to nurse them'
When in fact, they do not. They pay for their carers, food, utilities, ancillary staff, equipment, activities, toiletries, laundry services, WiFi ad infinitum.

But they are categorically not paying for the nursing care afforded to them by me or any other nurse employed there.

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@Suzi888

Is this actually going to be made law? I find it bizarre. What about things like chicken poxshingles is deadly to the elderly but no one is advising to get a pox jab. Not an anti vaxxer- I’ve had my jabs before anyone jumps on. I’m not a carer either. Thousands of care workers will leave- who will care for the elderly then? Of your worried, look after your elderly person yourself - some may say!

Not a great analogy. Shingles and chicken pox are not the same. You don't get pox and pass it to a vulnerable person who then immediately gets shingles. They get chicken pox then years later the dormant virus rears again as shingles. Also, the over 70s get a shingles jab on the NHS. People go into healthcare because it's a vocation. They care. They put the needs of others quite often in front of their own needs. That's what vaccination is. It's not something we have just to benefit us - it's to benefit others. If a person works in HC and refuses the jab then they are in the wrong role for them. And that's ok. That's their choice. The elderly and vulnerable have a choice too and the government have ensured that their rights are also considered. And no, enforcement is never great but unfortunately some people cannot be relied upon to be selfless.

@ZednotZeeMy DM's accommodation and care costs £6k a month. She had a massive stroke and is paralysed down one side. She is helpless and needs everything done for her. It takes two people and an electric hoist to do any of her care, and she's on baskets full of medication and in constant pain. The NHS pays none of it. We fought and fought for her to get NHS funding for that element of her fees, but like apx 95% of people, she was refused. It's hard to imagine just how sick and disabled you have to be to get it.

Very very few people in nursing homes/care facilities get anything covered by NHS funds. They have to actively need care that can only be carried out by a nurse rather than a carer.

May: Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

May, you gave me a laugh shoving rashes and people still getting Covid after mentioning death. I doubt you'd care much about getting a rash or covid if you were dead.

Practically everyone I know who has had the vaccine has been absolutely fine.

A carer is particularly vulnerable to catching the virus, have the vaccination!

[quote ZednotZee]@bookish83

I am not splitting hairs.
I was replying to the pp who alluded to residents 'paying for me to nurse them'
When in fact, they do not. They pay for their carers, food, utilities, ancillary staff, equipment, activities, toiletries, laundry services, WiFi ad infinitum.

But they are categorically not paying for the nursing care afforded to them by me or any other nurse employed there.[/quote]
Who is paying you then? Because the residents sure as hell were paying the nursing staff in my parents’ care home.

Another anecdote, and I realise this is a very small sample size: My aunt ( mid 80s), who had her first vaccination, contracted Covid from a carer who was coming to her home. The carer hadn’t had the opportunity to be vaccinated ( not UK). My aunt never showed many symptoms and didn’t pass Covid on to another three family members who’d had very close contact looking after her so it appears, in her case, the vaccination prevented severe illness and made it less likely to spread to others. There were another 11 people positive for Covid linked to this carer, one of whom sadly died.