Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

@bollihigh

I am massively pro-vax and don't know anybody IRL who isn't. That said hounding the few in low-paid, high-stress jobs doing work that most would balk at sits very uneasily with me. Care Homes are an easy target - why not include all NHS workers ? Like most of the 'optics', this shower of shit government does it's about how it cuts through rather than any actual effectiveness. How about Hancock and Johnson losing their jobs with the 10,000s needlessly killed by their incompetence. Anyway with Brexit and 1000s leaving already good luck with those vacancies. Can't see a massive queue forming.

I have a lot of respect for care staff, especially those who go above and beyond for low wages and high stress levels. I wish we had more support to give.

I believe the NHS will attempt to follow suit. I don't believe there to be a huge resistance to the vaccines though in the NHS, at least the clinical staff. Happy to be corrected though

OP, if you were shelling out £1k a week for the best care for one of your loved ones, what would be the things you most wanted from their care home?

A comfortable environment and being looked after by caring and experienced professionals who do everything they can reasonably to keep their patients safe, happy and well would be the top three for me and most others.
This would include protecting their patients by being up to date with vaccinations. Anything less would be substandard care - I for one would be looking elsewhere for somewhere that HAD taken every possible step to keep my loved one safe from harm.

So, like most others on here, I would say get the vaccine or get another job.

Im so glad someones leaving the sector over this-ketogenics and blood types -we dont need that sort of twattery in the nhs

If I were working within the NHS then I wouldn't be commenting on this thread regarding social care staff.
I wouldn't now work within the NHS and in fact left years ago due to piss poor pay and constant understaffing.

@Sushirolls

Me. I was sacked yesterday, for standing up for my basic human rights and bodily autonomy. I'm not the only one, either.

That is disgusting, can you not take legal action? I'm utterly appalled that anyone agrees with this, this country has changed completely and not for the better.

So you work in private care? And someone would be paying to be nursed by you😵

Bloody hell! Imagine forking out thousands to be nursed by someone like that. I’d go spare if it was me.

What is this about 1k a week?

In a large proportion of care homes the residents are funded wholly by the LA. That is not to say that they should receive care that is any different to those who pay privately and in most instances it is only the buildings, resources and food that differ as the care staff are still paid little over NMW no matter where they are employed.

I do find it a triumph of the current rhetoric that a seemingly large majority of people believe that most care home residents are shelling out 1k per week of their kids' inheritance for the pleasure of receiving social care

@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The NHS funds the nursing element of social care in this country and so the only way anybody is paying to be nursed by me is through their previously accrued taxes.

I’m 42. I’ve had my two AstraZeneca jabs. Just get it done.

As Julie Burchill said this pandemic was about middle-class people hiding away whilst the working class put their lives on the line to bring them things. I'm so far away from all this loon anti-vax nonsense I'm surprised at how angry I am. The care homes will suffer because if you can do that job you can probably do anything and there will be a massive care home staffing crisis as it will be easier to serve ready meals in Wetherspoons than clean and care for an old person with dementia. Hope some of the tricoteuses are getting ready to volunteer and roll up their sleeves to take up the slack. And whilst were at it let's check the vax status of all visitors.

Encourage, educate and incentivize but if in the end someone says no then make them subject to daily pre-work testing or some such like. That said I have no problems with making it madaory for new hires.

@Nightbear

No disrespect at all to you as an individual but the fact that what you have just posted is deemed to be in any way a compelling argument is nothing less than terrifying.

*mandatory ! or mad tory !

To be fair to the posters mocking a PP about her blood type, there does seem to be lots of data that O blood types don't catch or suffer bad symptoms of Covid.

@bollihigh

Strange you should mention Wetherspoons. One of our carers left last week to work exactly there.

Is it morally right to effectively force carers to be vaccinated against Covid in order to keep/have employment?

Factually - yes. Many medical jobs require vaccinations. This is not new or a CT. Vaccines are a part of life. How many get jabbed to go to foreign countries and never complain?

Personally? We pay big money for my grandmother’s home. At the very least, I expect all those who come into contact with her to be fully vaccinated. If she were to die of Covid, whilst under their care, never leaving the home (or seeing her family) I would be hauling their asses to court.

Unfortunately, this will create a further economical gap. Those who have the money to place their loved ones in ‘fully vaccinated homes’ (I.e pay their carers more ££) and those who don’t.

Fucking grim shit.

This is so soooo wrong totally against your human rights

Especially in light of some concerning data coming out of Japan (please view at least the first 20 mins of this panel discussion)

trialsitenews.com/covid-19-expert-panel-the-path-forward-for-canadians-trialsite-webinar/

@Sadsiblingatsea

I don’t blame you OP. This vaccine has too many side effects.

That not many people r getting in the grand scheme of things 🤦🏼‍♀️

@Bryonyshcmyony

Well, quite. The research has been available for anybody who cared to perform a cursory Google search since January, if not before.

It won't be mentioned in the MSM though because there is no incentive to subscribe to the idea of individual susceptibility to covid because we simply must all be vaccinated.

Incidentally if my blood type were A and I were ten years older, I wouldn't hesitate to get the vaccine.

@UneFoisAuChalet

Is it morally right to effectively force carers to be vaccinated against Covid in order to keep/have employment?

Factually - yes. Many medical jobs require vaccinations. This is not new or a CT. Vaccines are a part of life. How many get jabbed to go to foreign countries and never complain?

Personally? We pay big money for my grandmother’s home. At the very least, I expect all those who come into contact with her to be fully vaccinated. If she were to die of Covid, whilst under their care, never leaving the home (or seeing her family) I would be hauling their asses to court.

Unfortunately, this will create a further economical gap. Those who have the money to place their loved ones in ‘fully vaccinated homes’ (I.e pay their carers more ££) and those who don’t.

Fucking grim shit.

I do get your post. However you do know that the vaccine won't 100% stop transmission or be 100% effective for residents or staff?

Please don't put that pressure of saying you would take them to court! Illnesses including flu, sickness are all still transmitted. These can and do kill elderly people. Noone is 100% protected from all illness

Have you done the full research though on vaccines to make an educated decision, I guess you don’t take the contraceptive pill either because of side effects, or drink alcohol or smoke cigarettes, or in fact do any number of things.

I think the care industry is the wrong profession for you.

Anyone who hasn’t been living under a rock or relying on Facebook for their news knows that getting vaccinated is the logical thing to do. I’m not wasting my time c+p 100s of links to well balanced, reasoned arguments to have the tinfoil hat brigade reply with ‘that’s what the government want you to think!’.

I agree with the proposal that all carers should be vaccinated.

I work as a carer and am vaccinated, I also employ cares for my disabled dd and would want them to be vaccinated. Would you won’t someone who could potentially infect your relative caring for them?

@Merryoldgoat

I think it’s embarrassing how bad swathes of our population are at evaluating evidence and making evidence-based decisions.

You have no business going into medicine if you can’t assess and evaluate data.

Indeed.

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

I would suggest u look into another career if u wanted to get into medicine but dont think vaccines r important im thinking ur talking rubbish or ur clearly not really wanting to get into medicine

[quote ZednotZee]@ArseInTheCoOpWindow

The NHS funds the nursing element of social care in this country and so the only way anybody is paying to be nursed by me is through their previously accrued taxes.[/quote]
Not true.

A self funding resident probably pays £800+ for nursing care per month. Nothing to do with their taxes. This goes straight to their nursing home. There may be a further top up but honestly your posts are ridiculous.

Your posts really do not make sense

In many parts of Asia sticking your parents in a care home is an anathema may be in the west we are losing it in some respects morally and ethically and blaming hard-working minimum wage carers deflects from having a long hard look in the mirror.