Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

You are alluding to CHC funding, which yes is very difficult to attain eligibility for unless your needs are especially complex or you are deemed to be in the last few weeks of life.
CHC funds the entirety of the necessary care for this individual, plus their living costs.
All people who have been deemed eligible to reside in a nursing home and to require the 24 hour care of registered nurses receive the FNC which is payed directly to the home.

Again, this is specifically to fund the nursing aspect and if your care provider has not been explicitly transparent with you regarding this, then I urge you to initiate a conversation regarding it.

The bbr most recent article l could find days blood groups make no difference.

www.webmd.com/lung/news/20210405/blood-type-doesnt-affect-your-covid-risk

Also if all residents have been vaccinated,they should be ok according to the advice...so why should young people take such a risk with their own health earning the minimum wage...they have a long life to live !!

I’m against mandatory vaccines , but I think this measure is reasonable and proportionate. There is no unalienable right to work in a care home. You are caring for the most vulnerable and frail members of society, you owe them a duty of care. If you do not want the vaccine , that is your choice, but you are not entitled to work in a care home if it means putting the most vulnerable at risk. All nurses have to get Hep B, this is no different to that.

Posted earlier on and had to come back to see if OP had surfaced again. @Maybevaccine got enough for your article?

I’m very surprised at your naivety op, this has been on the table for months,it was a given, of course it was going to be compulsory for care workers to be vaccinated before they can work intimately with the most vulnerable in society, the vaccine is not 100 percent effective, so residents still have a risk from Covid.

Letting unvaccinated people in there would be scandalous.

Honestly, I'm sorry if it has come as a surprise to anybody here but the NHS pays FNC to nursing homes to cover the specific costs of nursing care.

It has always been this way.

Please, look in to this if you believe it has been obfuscated by your relative's care providers in any way.

Dont overthink it, just have the vaccine & move on

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

If you “want to get into medicine” I would hope you have a more understanding view on vaccine side effects (mainly v short lived and minor with an odd v rare serious one) and the benefits of such vaccines.

I don’t really see why you’d want to get into medicine if you don’t believe in the effectiveness of it?!

Some info on FNC/CHC.

All easily accessible via a Google search if you're interested.

Sorry, I don't know why that didn't post

Why are people claiming that vaccinations don’t reduce transmission?

www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-one-vaccine-dose-can-reduce-spread-of-coronavirus-by-65-and-why-this-is-massively-important

@TheGumption

What's your motivation to go into medicine if you have no confidence in science?!

Exactly my thoughts! Medicine is evidence based. The evidence shows the vaccine saves lives and is safe (with extremely rare exceptions)

Honestly, I'm sorry if it has come as a surprise to anybody here but the NHS pays FNC to nursing homes to cover the specific costs of nursing care.

Except for where they don't. Because it's really hard to get the NHS to agree that someone's needs are complex enough to be eligible. Or that's my experience, having just been turned down for FNC for my father, despite all the nursing staff in his nursing home advising me that he was a dead cert to receive it based on the complexity of his needs, which absolutely do require highly skilled 24 hour nursing care. And I'm becoming aware that it's a common experience.

Anyway - getting back to topic - right now from the point of view of a relative of someone in a nursing home, I'm mainly worried that lots of care staff will indeed choose to get another job. And that will leave the ones that are left even more over-stretched and unable to care for vulnerable people like my Dad. So it's really not just as simple as "get another job".

Can I suggest you take a deep breath, stop being so hysterical about side effects and do some proper research

Millions have been vaccinated, the side effects, especially the severe ones, are an absolute minority and work is ongoing to understand them. It’s already been said they know how to stop the AZ clotting issue ( which by the way is also a side effect of others as well). If you have the flu jab there are possible side effects to those, as there is any medication you take, and there is more chance of getting blood clots using the pill than a covid jab.

If necessary talk to your gp, but you take the jab, it don’t have a job in the care industry

@AChickenCalledDaal

With the utmost kindness, I think you mean CHC.

All nursing residents receive FNC. Residential residents do not.
Please see the screenshot I posted, or perform a quick Google search.

In many parts of Asia sticking your parents in a care home is an anathema may be in the west we are losing it in some respects morally and ethically and blaming hard-working minimum wage carers deflects from having a long hard look in the mirror

In the West it is far more likely that both adults/the only adult in the household will be working - for example in Japan around 70% of women give up working when their first child is born whereas in the UK around 70% of households have both parents working. Asian families also tend to have adult children living at home for longer which means extra hands on deck to help provide care to elderly or infirm relatives.

In the UK the social care system is a mess, Carers Allowance is not enough to live on - just £67 a week in return for a minimum of 35hrs p/wk care - and providing 24/7 care while on it equates to less than 40p an hour, families are more likely to be in rented accommodation with no spare rooms, and most importantly caring is hard. It takes a toll and if you still have young children at home, no spare room, and can't afford to quit your job to love on £67 a week then no matter how much you might actually want to take care of your elderly mum/granny/aunty, you're probably not going to be able to and you probably are going to have to put her in a home.

My 93 yo mum with a family history of blood clots had to have the vaccine before she was admitted into care. She's been fine. If the owners can insist a high risk person has to have the vaccine before we have the privilege of paying £1600 a week for her care I don't think it's unreasonable that the people paid to take care of her (who are all fantastic and do a brilliant job) have the same protection.

Incidentally, her care home also re

@ZednotZee I really don't. Dad is a nursing home resident who in my opinion (and the opinion of the staff) requires nursing for multiple reasons. In fact, when he was discharged from hospital, we were advised that 24 hour nursing care was essential and a residential home without nursing would not be sufficient.

He has just been turned down for both CHC and FNC. He is getting nothing from the NHS. I am awaiting the written assessment so as to understand why.

We will be appealing. But I've also been told by local friends who work for the NHS that it's very hard to get FNC around here, even when it seems that you have a very good case.

Sorry, pressed send too soon. Her care home also require distanced visits from us even though we are all now double vaxxed. Everyone has to wear a mask and sit behind Perspex screens. It's insane that her double vaxxed daughter can't hug her mum or hold her hand but a non-vaccinated carer can help her bath, get dressed, feed her and brush her teeth.

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

You do realise there are a load load of other vaccines you have to get to enter medical school? If you can’t appraise the risks and benefits to you and those you care for appropriately then perhaps medicine is not for you.

Letting unvaccinated people in there would be scandalous.

And yet strangely the residents still have the choice of whether to be vaccinated or not.

Personally I hope that all those with elderly relatives in care homes, clamoring for care workers to be forced to be vaccinated or lose their jobs, are yourselves forced to look after those relatives if enough carers refuse and those nursing homes fail to find enough people to replace them.

You might even develop a respect for the people doing a job that you don't want to do and doubtless secretly (or maybe openly) feel is beneath you.

@AChickenCalledDaal

I'm so very sorry to hear that about your Dad, I hope you can find some resolve. Unfortunately your Dad has been assessed as not requiring nursing care, which I can imagine is very distressing when you believe that he does in fact warrant it and that registered nurses agree with you.

It remains that the NHS funds nursing care for all residents whom it deems to require this aspect of care.