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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:

Albern · 16/06/2021 20:53

20:03Countrygirl38

OP, I get you. I haven't and won't have the vaccine. I work in social care although not with older people or are particularly vulnerable to covid. I will leave health and social care rather than have the vaccine.
The country has a big recruitment and retention problem in social care. It is hard work and badly paid. This country can ill afford to lose care workers. There is a bigger picture here. People will suffer if there aren't enough social care workers too.

I agree with you regarding staffing
, I have had both my vaccines and work in social care with vulnerable people . In the residential.home where I work.we are already on our knees, under staffed and cant recruit. We have staff that have chosen not to have the vaccine. If we lose those staff then we will be in serious trouble .

louleey · 16/06/2021 20:54

Really? Astounded even though someone that has been vaccinated can still pass it on and they only person the vaccine (apparently) protects is the person that has had it?

SunglassesSeventy · 16/06/2021 20:57

I thought it was only the AZ vaccine that had the deaths and blood clots? Even though the risk is very small, I personally didn't fancy taking that risk.

Make sure you get the Pfizer or Moderna one. My GP are offering Pfizer and some of the big vaccination centres in my town are offering Moderna. If you're under 30 (or is it 40?) you don't get offered AZ anyway, because of the risk of blood clots, which in the younger age group is a slightly higher risk than the risk of death or severe illness with Covid.

Or something like that, not sure on exact rules and rationales.

gamerchick · 16/06/2021 20:58

Yeah, the Pfizer blood clot thing hasnt been massively.publicisied has it? Wonder why that is.

MissConductUS · 16/06/2021 20:59

@louleey

Really? Astounded even though someone that has been vaccinated can still pass it on and they only person the vaccine (apparently) protects is the person that has had it?

You must have missed this up thread:

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/mounting-evidence-suggests-covid-vaccines-do-reduce-transmission-how-does-work

There's also the easily verifiable fact that as vaccination rates have gone up, new case rates have fallen.

Gilly12345 · 16/06/2021 21:00

Just get the vaccine.

I thought to work in care work you were supposed to care?

JudgeRindersMinder · 16/06/2021 21:01

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

Good luck with getting into medicine with your current inability to research, risk assess and evaluate statistics. I think you need to rethink your career path

Johnbowlby · 16/06/2021 21:01

You will be given a list of vaccinations you need to have in order to start at medical school, you know that, yeah?

RampantIvy · 16/06/2021 21:03

When a virus is widely circulating in a population and causing many infections, the likelihood of the virus mutating increases. The more opportunities a virus has to spread, the more it replicates – and the more opportunities it has to undergo changes.

Taken from www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/the-effects-of-virus-variants-on-covid-19-vaccines

The more people who refuse to be vaccinated the more variants will develop.

I'm struggling to understand science refusniks.

And on BBC2 now a programme about the covid vaccine.

PinkiOcelot · 16/06/2021 21:04

I don’t think anyone should be made to have the vaccine against their will. Let’s just throw our human rights and body autonomy down the pan. What will it be next?!!

JudgeRindersMinder · 16/06/2021 21:04

@Sadsiblingatsea

I don’t blame you OP. This vaccine has too many side effects.

Yeah my 2x 24 hours of being a bit tired was life changing. Not as life changing as losing my dad to covid whilst in a care home right enough….

Twiglets1 · 16/06/2021 21:05

@Maybevaccine

Are you sure you have the brains for medicine?

bollihigh · 16/06/2021 21:05

I am massively pro-vax and don't know anybody IRL who isn't. That said hounding the few in low-paid, high-stress jobs doing work that most would balk at sits very uneasily with me. Care Homes are an easy target - why not include all NHS workers ? Like most of the 'optics', this shower of shit government does it's about how it cuts through rather than any actual effectiveness. How about Hancock and Johnson losing their jobs with the 10,000s needlessly killed by their incompetence. Anyway with Brexit and 1000s leaving already good luck with those vacancies. Can't see a massive queue forming.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 16/06/2021 21:05

@whynotwhatknot

Im so glad someones leaving the sector over this-ketogenics and blood types -we dont need that sort of twattery in the nhs

I was searching for the right words. But these will do!

whymewhyme · 16/06/2021 21:05

I've not had it

RampantIvy · 16/06/2021 21:05

What will it be next?!!

The virus gets out of control again.

Your bodily autonomy. My right to not encounter the virus in people who refuse to get vaccinated.

Thiscantreallybehappening · 16/06/2021 21:05

@Maybevaccine*

As for wearing PPE and being tested, the problem with that is if you test positive you have very likely already passed the virus onto a vulnerable person.

If you have reasons for not wanting the vaccine, don't have it but don't work in the care sector where your decisions are putting other people at risk. It's irresponsible. Find another job.

Sirzy · 16/06/2021 21:07

@PinkiOcelot

I don’t think anyone should be made to have the vaccine against their will. Let’s just throw our human rights and body autonomy down the pan. What will it be next?!!

Nobody is being made to get the vaccine against the will.

They are being asked to get it if they wish to work in care - which given how care homes have been hit is hardly surprising is it?

People will probably also be asked to have it if they wish to travel to certain countries overseas.

In both cases though they can make a choice based on their own risk assessment.

ilovesooty · 16/06/2021 21:07

@Maybevaccine

He even said it will be compulsory for hairdressers, beauticians and tradesmen going into peoples homes

I hadn't heard that one. At least that might stop the media activities of our local anti vax hairdresser who spends a ridiculous amount of time courting attention.

MarianneUnfaithful · 16/06/2021 21:08

@Sushirolls

Me. I was sacked yesterday, for standing up for my basic human rights and bodily autonomy. I'm not the only one, either.

You can maintain your basic right and bodily autonomy just fine.

People can maintain a basic right not to have an operation to remove a cataract. Do you think they should still be allowed to drive?

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 16/06/2021 21:09

The virus is not indiscriminate by any means and I do not feel myself to be at personal risk of contracting it or subsequently transmitting it

You must be invincible then, why are you so special? I’m sure you’re keto diet and random blood group must be a magic charm.

What planet are you on? I find it really scary that a nurse who could potentially be nursing me or my relatives has this attitude.

Twattery indeed!

June2021 · 16/06/2021 21:09

@Sirzy

My view is those working in caring professions have a duty of care to those they care for and that includes ensuring that (unless they have a genuine medical reason) appropriate vaccines are up to date.

We have seen the damage covid can cause in a care home. Anyone who works in one who isn’t willing to prevent a repeat of that maybe needs to reconsider where they work

This. It's not rocket science

Bryonyshcmyony · 16/06/2021 21:09

I find it really hard to believe that anyone could have worked in a care home last year, and watched the inmates crying and confused because they couldn't see their families and yet still refuse to have the vaccine.

Daphnise · 16/06/2021 21:09

Just find another job where your ignorance doesn't matter.

GrandmasCat · 16/06/2021 21:09

Your personal choices should not be inflicted on the people you are paid to care for.

Get another job

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