Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

CandyLeBonBon

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I don’t blame you OP.
This vaccine has too many side effects.

What? Like not dying?

CandyLeBonBon , you might want to check your facts . Current figures for the ‘delta variant’ are 23 unvaccinated died and 19 vaccinated died .

I have a Master's Degree in Sociology and I am well-read and widely travelled.
I did care work for years with terminally ill people even though I could have done a myriad of other jobs. Care work is a vocation and if you don't like it, you shouldn't do it.
You don't know when you will be in the situation where you yourself will need a carer.
People who need carers are a lot of the time at the end of their lives and extremely vulnerable and frightened. Till the day I die, I know I did care work with real care and love in my heart. I never once felt I was doing something "beneath me" and the good karma has come back to me so many times I've lost count.
You are right, you shouldn't do care-work.

@Mymapuddlington

I’m shocked that people just blindly do as they’re told. Over 60% of people have said they wouldn’t have it or have concerns.

Over 60% of people have said they wouldn’t have it or have concerns

Do you have a link to that info - that sentence conflates two completely different issues and so is a bit misleading. People might have concerns about taking the vaccine, it's quite natural, but that does not equate to not taking the vaccine.

So far more than 42 million people in the UK have received at least one dose of a coronavirus vaccine. There are about 66.65 million people in the UK. I will let you do the maths.

"again I will ask how is someone unvaccinated anymore danger to someone vaccinated when.everybody can still transmit it!!!!!"

Two people come into contact with the virus. It enters both of their bodies.
The vaccinated person's body springs into action with antibodies. It might take a while for the antibodies to fight the infection, during which time that person might be a bit symptomatic. They might cough a bit and so be exhaling some bits of virus for a short while before the antibodies kill it. Or the antibodies might smother it enough so that they're not symptomatic and so are very unlikely to be sneezing it about everywhere. So to give it to someone, they'd have to see them within possibly a short window to catch it. They'd have to be contagious in work-hours, be up very close, etc.

The unvaccinated person has no antibodies, so their body has to start from scratch in identifying this new thing, and trying to defend against it. It has a chance to take a hold, and much more of a chance to make them ill, symptomatic, and contagious for much longer. Anyone they see during all that time is then at risk. They're more likely to be coughing particles into the air, and they'll have a lot more of the virus inside them to spread because there's nothing dampening it down.

That's the difference.

If you want choice then surely care homes must also have that choice to employ who they want. Clients also should have a choice about who they want caring for them. You can't have choice only being one way.

A seatbelt isn't guaranteed to stop you dying in a car crash but you wear one? Why? Because it reduces the risk significantly.

Get the vaccine you regard as safest for you and join the national effort please.

I don’t think it is safe so....

A visitor to a care home only sits with one resident, they are (or should be) in a ventilated room or even outdoors, they can be kept socially distanced and their visit time managed, they are not usually providing intimate/personal care or medical care during the visit. A member of staff is moving amongst several residents, is in close proximity, is providing intimate care and also possibly medical care at close distance, and is in prolonged contact spanning several hours.

@BlatantlyNameChanged
If a visitor comes in with COVID and gives it to their loved one, then that resident will likely be around others before they show symptoms - lounge, dining room etc etc - therefore risk of further spread sadly.

Surely a visitor to a care home resident would want to be vaccinated anyway?! I know I would if I was visiting a vulnerable family member.

I believe in freedom of choice

I believe in freedom. Freedom from mask wearing, freedom to go to a gig, freedom to travel on public transport and not worry about the passenger sitting next to me, freedom to travel abroad, freedom to go to work and not have to socially distance from my workmates. Basically freedom from this wretched virus. The vaccine refusers will ensure that this virus will continue to mutate.

Thank you for posting those statistics @BlatantlyNameChanged. I simply don't get why people don't understand those figures. Maybe they need to retake GCSE maths.

Have you taken the hep b vaccine, I thought they were a necessity for HCWs. If so what’s the problem with taking the covid vaccine?

I can not believe half the answers to this question, what utterly horrid people on this site... Yes op it's not your body, you don't have a right to be concerned about sticking a vaccine in your arm, your must just be like everyone else and a good little lamb and do as your told, God forbid you have a mind and opinion of your own... Some people are utterly vile... Sweet it's your body do as you wish with it...

Being forced to have a vaccine and being required to have a vaccine as a prerequisite to employment which, as pointed out, already requires many other vaccines are not the same thing.

Basically freedom from this wretched virus

3186 years to eradicate small pox. The ONLY thing to be eradicated. Covid is around to stay no matter how many guinea pigs get jabbed.

@duffeldaisy but the danger is to the unvaccinated person, residents were all double jabbed in March, we are also being tested 3 times a week, I guarantee the majority of people telling OP to find another job have sat furloughed the best part of 18 months or sat working at home!

I'm not a carer but I feel that forcing everyone to have a jab will bring in huge problems with the shortages of staff. The vaccine does not stop you from spreading Covid, it only potentially diminishes the severity of Covid if you get it yourself. So all the vaccinated carers can still spread Covid to people in their care.

@MaybeVaccine You have heard of a few cases out of the millions given. No vaccine as any medicine comes without risks. You have more chance of having complications by flying in a plane or crossing the road.

Mt dear friend is a medical science research who works alongside WHO and all the major pharmaceutical companies.

Five years at uni and med school gives her the experience.

I don't think you understand the nature of vaccine. A vaccine is given so if you get the virus it won't be as bad. It gives you antibodies.

True example: my adult sduggtee had her measles jab when she was 1. She still got measles when she was 2. She was very ill with it.

Our Dr told us if she hadn't have had the vaccine she would at worse died and at best be left with complex lifelong health problems including loss of sight.

The vaccine re Covid19 is not enough. Its a useful aid within all else being used such as social distancing etc.

Not getting the vaccine is grossly unfair on all around you too.

Yes you may feel a bit unwell for a few days after. That or a ventilator is the choice? Yes I've had the vaccine and so have all of us here.

First jab: felt unwell for 2 days with a sore neck, shoulders and a headache. 2nd jab just very tired

Covid19 is a strain of pneumonia. A mutant of SARS Mark 1. Covid official name is SARS-M2-COV19

We are surrounded by viruses all our lives. This one just happens to be very contagious.

@Mymapuddlington

Basically freedom from this wretched virus

3186 years to eradicate small pox. The ONLY thing to be eradicated. Covid is around to stay no matter how many guinea pigs get jabbed.

3186 years to eradicate smallpox? you sure about that?...yeah no, it was declared eradicated in 1980. vaccination started in 1796 when cowpox serum was used so I make that 124 ish years.....

Well current rates for the clotting issue are 1 in 50,000 alone and no doubts that’s an underreported figure. Add to that strokes, Bell’s palsy and menstrual issues that might last for months, do you propose we compensate people who suffer them?

My daughters a carer but we have dvt (blood clots) in our family but because my daughter hasn't had them yet our drs say she must have the jab but she's petrified she will get them so is now leaving care due to this

@Roonerspismed

Well current rates for the clotting issue are 1 in 50,000 alone and no doubts that’s an underreported figure. Add to that strokes, Bell’s palsy and menstrual issues that might last for months, do you propose we compensate people who suffer them?

Via the Vaccine Damage Payment scheme? As you are a lawyer I am surprised you have not heard of it.

www.gov.uk/vaccine-damage-payment

You have a choice, either be sensible and protect yourself and keep the job by getting the vaccine OR don't get the jab and loose your job and probably catch COVID and pass it on to others. Not really much of a choice is it?
Please do the sensible thing. If everyone fell for the scare stories/anti vax bullshit, and like you, decided not to get the jab then we would be in a much worse state with the new Delta variant and this whole nightmare will never end. Regardless of where you work, PLEASE, PLEASE', PLEASE get the vaccine. You will be fine and will be doing the responsible, sensible thing.

Don’t forget working from home is the new living at home! Not necessarily the best solution in these pandemic times. Get vaccinated (unless medically challenging) to get society to a better and safer normal! No vaccination by all simply means natural survival of the fittest. Get vaccinated to protect yourself, your family and all those you come into contact with. It’s not compulsory but your freedom to choose health or a world of less options to mix, to travel, to work, to play and to live life fully in the middle of unprecedented pandemic times!

Aside from the vaccine are you on the pill? Far more common to get side effects with that. As a doctor you will be expected to get more vaccines than just this so if you are so sure this is not what you want to do then consider it against what you want to do in the future....