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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

OP posts:
Lili132 · 17/06/2021 18:13

@FightingFiles

If you want to get into medicine you will need to learn to read and understand evidence, and assess your sources. This is a good place to start.
Maybe you should too before you start lecturing people.
baldafrique · 17/06/2021 18:13

@cardibach
Definitely. But noone has ever raised it!

MPF080619 · 17/06/2021 18:17

@whoisyennefer - well said, I couldn't agree more.

I own and manage a small care home. All the staff have been vaccinated. There were a couple who were hesitant, they were provided with all the necessary information and decided to get vaccinated a few weeks after everyone else.

I will (strongly) encourage all staff to get vaccinated each year, and I will require new staff to get vaccinated.

However, I object to this being yet another dictate to social care workers. Social care really is at crisis point and further dictates to under valued, over worked, care workers does nothing to help morale.

Currently we have been told that everyone working in a care home needs to be vaccinated twice, this would include, for example, a plumber.

HOWEVER... a District Nurse does not have to be vaccinated.

The fact that this was rolled out for care home staff but not NHS frontline staff does not make sense.

The public understand how fragile the NHS, few understand the crisis that Social Care is under.

Vynalbob · 17/06/2021 18:19

Who will care for the elderly when 1000s leave?
1.more like dozens

  1. People who actually CARE about the people they're caring for

Sarcasm warning....
Just a note.... are any antivaxers smokers... do they care for residents with fag in mouth coz it's their right to get lung cancer???

HeyDuggeesCakeBadge · 17/06/2021 18:20

I've not RTFT but what happens if someone is unlucky enough to die from the vaccine when it is mandatory? Will the employers or government be liable? Will they pay out death in service?

MaxNormal · 17/06/2021 18:21

If you are working in a care home it is NOT just your body and your choice

Christ, work for minimum wage cleaning up other people's shit and you get to give up your bodily automony into the bargain.
Who would be a carer?

IwishIwasBrave · 17/06/2021 18:21

Your body, your choice. I won't have it.

Jazz50 · 17/06/2021 18:22

Its your choice, Do some research and dont let anyone bully you into making a decision.

Jag1980 · 17/06/2021 18:23

My dad died of COVID-19. Covid came into our home as my sister in law caught not from a nurse, she is a HCA. 71 and in good health. The healthy nurse has very bad long Covid and my sister in law is getting counselling which is trauma focused. vaccines reduce transmission. If my Dad had the vaccine he most likely would be here. If the nurse or my sister in law had the vaccine she may have not have passed it on ( I know this is not 100%). As a family devastated COVID I would not want unvaccinated care workers next to vulnerable people or worst still you can bring the virus home and infect others - new variant came break through vaccine.

TurquoiseLemur · 17/06/2021 18:24

@MaxNormal

If you are working in a care home it is NOT just your body and your choice

Christ, work for minimum wage cleaning up other people's shit and you get to give up your bodily automony into the bargain.
Who would be a carer?

The wages are a a scandal but there are carers who get a lot of satisfaction being carers, empathetic people who build relationships with the people they care for. It's not just about cleaning up shit.
duffeldaisy · 17/06/2021 18:24

"Your body, your choice. I won't have it."

Fine. Mum's/Dad's care home, our choice. We won't choose ones which are unsafe.

I've had jabs when caring for a relative. Not for me, for them. It's no different.

threatmatrix · 17/06/2021 18:25

What get something that’s still on test? Wait and see when they have no staff

Daisydoor12 · 17/06/2021 18:25

Fully support freedom of choice and that is with a grandparent in a care home. Why hasn’t the flu vaccine been made mandatory? Flu outbreaks happen in care homes every year and put pressure on NHS and many deaths.

Care workers if they chose to not be vaccinated should wear fitted medical masks, gloves, apron etc throughout their shift.

DrOrange · 17/06/2021 18:26

If your goal is to get into medicine in the future, you should be aware that vaccination is mandatory for clinicians, this currently includes hepatitis B.

www.nnuh.nhs.uk/publication/download/hepatitis-b-protection-for-hcw-and-guidance-in-relation-to-exposure-prone-procedures-ca2070-v5/

Lazymum78 · 17/06/2021 18:26

You have to see if the benefits/positives outweigh be negatives/risk . In this case, the benefits to large populations and individuals has been huge . If it wasn’t for vaccines lot of deadly diseases like Tetanus, Polio, Small Pox, Diptheria etc would still be killing large swathes of population. Take it!

Nocutenamesleft · 17/06/2021 18:27

My friend is dying. She’s 32

She’s so unwell that even a coke could kill her early. She has 24/7 carers. Who must wear complete PPE when in contact with her. Her condition is so rare

If any of her carers said they wouldn’t get the vaccine and then put her at risk. I wouldn’t know what to even think. I’d be so incredibly cross that someone would dare go into that kind of job and put someone so vulnerable at such risk. I’d be telling them to leave ASAP. Her life is at risk. As is most people who have carers.

Don’t do this. Don’t put my friend. Or anyone’s family members at risk.

Just leave the job.

My friends daughter died last month. She was 14….. her carers wouldn’t of even dreamed do this. Her nurses. Her drs. Her carers. Her family. Even her friends. They did their upmost to keep her at the smallest risk. No one went and saw her. Even if they were 99% sure their heat rash. Was actually heat rash. Because what if it was something else.

I just don’t understand this…

I understand people not wanting the vaccine. Yes sure. Completely.

But not a carer. Not a dr who deals with cancers in children. Those types. Nope. Don’t get it.

Nocutenamesleft · 17/06/2021 18:27

Cold. Not coke.

Emmylouisa · 17/06/2021 18:29

I know a carer who says her company don't require staff to have the vaccine. The director of the company is an anti-vaxer too. She told me that for the whole of lockdown, she was going into people's homes with no mask or ppe either. I was pretty appalled to hear that. I really don't understand why people are still so against the protection it gives you and others. Such a small number have had side effects.

BlatantlyNameChanged · 17/06/2021 18:32

What get something that’s still on test?

It's not still on test in the sense that it's still being trialled, the covid vaccines are now on Phase Four trials. Phase Four trials are basically post-marketing surveillance to make sure that the medication is working as expected/the same as it did during clinical trials, less of a trial and more of a post-release tech support. Have you ever taken paracetamol? Ibuprofen? Antihistamines? Then you have participated in phase four trials.

duffeldaisy · 17/06/2021 18:32

@Nocutenamesleft I'm so sorry about your friend.
I couldn't agree more.
And thinking about it, this happens all the time - if a friend has a newborn or you have a vulnerable elderly relative, you wouldn't go to visit if you had a cold, or if someone's seriously ill like your friend then everyone would go out of their way to make sure they wouldn't cause harm.

I'm a bit worried that people who are front-line carers aren't thinking like that. Perhaps those who don't feel comfortable with that are best out of caring for anyone vulnerable.

olidora63 · 17/06/2021 18:33

@wavybaby

Really sad that people's rights to self autonomy are being taken away and no one gives a stuff. These aren't bad people saying they don't want the jab, they are carers who are concerned for their own health. As carers, you need to look after your own health to look after others. Care workers have their own families to look after and are rightly worried about the vaccines lack of data and testing. There needs to be an alternative - ie PPE mask wearing or weekly testing. So what happens when vaccinated people spread the virus, and they will, that's OK then? And no I haven't and won't be having the vaccine due to a close family member being left with chemo due to his immune system turning in on itself. In intensive Care, blood clots on the brain, lungs and liver and a platelet transfusion 200 miles from home. Really folks, adverse reaction is real and it's increasing due to the numbers being vaccinated. Please don't bother saying that the combined pill has a higher risk, (I refused that too) we aren't talking about that, we are talking about a vaccination which uses new technology, which hasn't had several years of trialling. Really people, have we lost our critical thinking abilities?
This..100% !
cardibach · 17/06/2021 18:36

@Funfortheroad

There is an economic recession awaiting. Staffing may not be problematic in sectors that have essential demand. There will be keen unemployed workers waiting and students doing part time positions.

I don't feel like carers who are forced into the role through lack of options will be the best carers.

Neither will ones who don’t understand science or illness or care enough to get vaccinated...
linsey2581 · 17/06/2021 18:36

I certainly wouldn’t want you working with any elderly members of my family if you weren’t vaccinated. Either take the vaccine or find another job.

Egeegogxmv · 17/06/2021 18:37

there are carers who get a lot of satisfaction being carers, empathetic people who build relationships with the people they care for
poor sods still dont get a living wage in return for all that giving and caring...
it's a mugs game...isnt it?

auntnellie · 17/06/2021 18:37

my daughter had Covid and was very ill with it, at one stage we were going to phone an ambulance she was so ill.(she is 43). She now has long Covid .
She has since had 2 doses of Astra Zenica and both made her unwell for 24 hours like a really bad cold aching joints etc. Said she would rather have this than Covid again.

I had both doses of Pfizer and didnt have any side effects at all.

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