Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

My niece, applying for medicine for next year, has already been told she will have to be doubly vaccinated or won't get on the course - remarkably, student doctors have to get close to patients...

She's doing work experience in the summer and has already had her first vaccination.

Grow up and get vaccinated. The side effects are at worst a sore arm and mild fluey symptoms. You will then be protected and protect others. Ignore all the idiotic anti-vaxers and conspiracy theories.

If it was my vulnerable relative you were looking after, I'd be mightily cheesed off if you weren't doing all you could to a) stay healthy and b) prevent onwards transmission

And I'm sure that you expect your opinion on the matter to induce a sense of abject mortification at your displeasure...

@gobbynorthernbird

OP, I'm not entirely sure you're a suitable candidate for medicine.

Particularly as she is worried about rashes after death :-).

I doubt the op is talking about a career in conventional medicine.

If you don’t want it I would look for a suitable job I have no idea what will happen with visitors to care homes, the elderly have had their jabs which covers them but as said before vaccinated people can still pass it on

@wavybaby

Really sad that people's rights to self autonomy are being taken away and no one gives a stuff. These aren't bad people saying they don't want the jab, they are carers who are concerned for their own health. As carers, you need to look after your own health to look after others. Care workers have their own families to look after and are rightly worried about the vaccines lack of data and testing. There needs to be an alternative - ie PPE mask wearing or weekly testing. So what happens when vaccinated people spread the virus, and they will, that's OK then? And no I haven't and won't be having the vaccine due to a close family member being left with chemo due to his immune system turning in on itself. In intensive Care, blood clots on the brain, lungs and liver and a platelet transfusion 200 miles from home. Really folks, adverse reaction is real and it's increasing due to the numbers being vaccinated. Please don't bother saying that the combined pill has a higher risk, (I refused that too) we aren't talking about that, we are talking about a vaccination which uses new technology, which hasn't had several years of trialling. Really people, have we lost our critical thinking abilities?

Completely agree! Well said FYI I was pro vaccine until I had a severe and long lasting side affects. No way will I have my second as no dr will guarantee my health if I do.

No one should be forced to have the vaccine, you're perfectly entitled to choose not to have it. The side effect from that choice is you need to find an alternative profession.

But no one is taking away their right to self autonomy, just saying there are vaccine requirements for the job.

I have to have the tetanus vaccine and hep b for my job, for previous employment I've needed yellow fever and rabies but only, and this is important, if I accepted the job. I was free to find an alternative and so are carers.

@Boysgrownbutstillathome

Grow up and get vaccinated. The side effects are at worst a sore arm and mild fluey symptoms. You will then be protected and protect others. Ignore all the idiotic anti-vaxers and conspiracy theories.

There is a middle ground here those that had the first one and had severe side affects..... Where do those ppl fit in?

The clue to the job is 'care'.
You're working with vulnerable people (and that's a fantastic thing to be doing. I have utter respect for everyone doing that extremely hard job, and if I was in charge you'd be on high salaries.

But it's about a duty of care to your patients/residents. It's not like you're forced to work in a front line role, but if you do then you look after those people, and if that means having vaccines so you don't spread the germs then that is all part of it.
If you don't want it then that's fine, no judgment, as long as you find somewhere else to work where there aren't any vulnerable people around you. You have a choice.

I definitely wouldn't put elderly members of my family in any care home that had unvaccinated staff. I want them to be in a safe environment, or as safe as possible, and looked after by people who care enough about their health to get a vaccine to support them.

Really sad that people's rights to self autonomy are being taken away and no one gives a stuff. These aren't bad people saying they don't want the jab, they are carers who are concerned for their own health. As carers, you need to look after your own health to look after others.

I'll say it again: your right to "self autonomy" doesn't trump the right of people who you get paid to care for to have basic safeguards in place to protect their health and well-being. And it certainly doesn't entitle you to disregard those safeguards and carry on being paid to do the job. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept to grasp.

Does anyone know what will happen to pregnant or breastfeeding carers, out of interest? I know they can now have the vaccine but I wonder if many wont wish to. Just curious.

My parents had friends sneak in and pick fruit without asking first. They didn't react well and that friendship is over.

There is a middle ground here those that had the first one and had severe side affects.....
Where do those ppl fit in?

The side effects aren't as bad after the second dose, and I would rather put up with a couple of days of feeling ill than risk getting covid TBH.

Wrong thread. Sorry.

@maxbabi

"There is a middle ground here those that had the first one and had severe side affects.....
Where do those ppl fit in?"

That's unfortunate, although it does happen to ever so few people. On the NHS website it says they might be offered a different vaccine (eg. if they had an anaphylactic shock - which is extremely rare but treatable and why they get you to stay afterwards. Those people can also be offered the second in a hospital, so they can immediately be helped). If they simply cannot have either then it's very sad, but they just won't be able to be a frontline carer. There are millions of other jobs they could do. I know it's unfair, but it's better that than them going in and accidentally spreading it to someone who then dies.

Really folks, adverse reaction is real and it's increasing due to the numbers being vaccinated
what's the alternative though?
the only way out of this is if the govt can get enough of us to accept a vaccine with no long term safely data
so we all have to take a risk for the greater good and to protect the vulnerable who dont want to take that risk

(but also severe reactions: anaphylaxis or blood clots being the most severe, though again both treatable if caught quickly, in the entire UK are only going to affect a handful of people at most. So it's unfair, but it's a miniscule number who won't be able to do it because of medical reasons).

Some very rude comments on here.

your right to "self autonomy" doesn't trump the right of people who you get paid to care for to have basic safeguards in place to protect their health and well-being
whilst this is true, it raises the following question:
'should we accept a vaccine with no long term safely data as part of those basic safeguards'?

@baldafrique

Does anyone know what will happen to pregnant or breastfeeding carers, out of interest? I know they can now have the vaccine but I wonder if many wont wish to. Just curious.

Why should it be any different? As you yourself said they can have the vaccine.

@TheGumption

What's your motivation to go into medicine if you have no confidence in science?!

Exactly this ! ….maybe train as a homeopath instead ?

It's a no brainer and the evidence is clear...considering that millions and millions of people have now been vaccinated all over the world it's clear that the risk from the vaccines are minimal in comparison to actually contracting the virus!! It's surely not asking too much to expect that those caring for the sick, elderly and vulnerable in society shouldn't want to take advantage of all the precautions available to keep themselves and those they care for safe and healthy?

The problem is there are so many false claims going around the vaccine, the other thing to remember is that, of course there are side effects but you must remember that lots of people like to scaremonger over any side effects for example you are very likely to hear that they have said their symptoms are 100% worse than what they actually were, it’s human nature unfortunately, people always want to have say they have experienced worse than the next person. Its obviously your choice but it could lose you your job.

My partner and I aren’t getting the vaccine. He’s in care and has started looking for other work. I don’t think it will be in long though, the care sector already struggles for staff. I know a lot of amazing nhs and care staff who are looking for other work now and it’s upsetting because they’re all passionate about care.