Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

[Maybevaccine]

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

@Maybevaccine

Yes I agree, I'd need to do more research and read about the vaccines. It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine.

To those asking why I want to work with vulnerable people when I'm against the vaccine, well I thought wearing the PPE and getting tested every week was enough? Even before my interview I had to get tested at the care home. I don't know, maybe I was being a bit naive, but I genuinely thought PPE and weekly covid test was OK.

Do you see any conflict about your desire to work in medicine and your unresearched knee jerk reaction to vaccines and your subsequent willingness to put people at risk without taking any time to even understand the issue before making a decision?

Is there anything there at all that sets an alarm bell off for you?

I know a few doctors and guess what. They’ve all had theirs.

If you were required it to go medical school would you?

@Sadsiblingatsea

I don’t blame you OP. This vaccine has too many side effects.

OFGS. Covid has a fuck sight more, and much more serious effects. OP: get a vaccine or another job. And stop reading tripe on the internet, including the above comment.

Say you are dismissed from your job on account of choosing not to have the vaccine. How do you explain your dismissal to another prospective employer? These are some of the most financially vulnerable workers in society and they're being picked off and made an example of. It's sickening.

Well you'll have to explain that you weren't prepared to meet the basic threshold required from you of safeguarding in a safeguarding profession.

They are financially vulnerable members of society and I have huge admiration for care workers. But this is a completely groundless argument: why does the fact that they are financially vulnerable entitle them to duck out of the requirement to protect the people they are employed to care for?

If you were fired from a care home job for failing to take hygiene precautions would you insist it was your 'human right' to not wash your hands after using the toilet? That simply wouldn't wash.

I'm getting really cross seeing this being spun into an argument about how this is anti-poor misogyny: this is such bullshit.

It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine

@Maybevaccine I think you need to do some serious learning about the way that risk stats & data work. You'll need to learn this stuff anyway in you want to study medicine, or nursing, or other health care professions.

You could start with the excellent BBC Radio 4 programme "More or Less."

The Swiss Cheese Model is a simple way of explaining how to combat the spread of covid.

Just using PPE and good hygiene isn't enough. You need PPE and good hand hygiene and social distancing and testing and tracing and ventilation and VACCINATION.

One of the reasons the virus keeps mutating is that not enough people are vaccinated, which allows the virus to continue spreading.

No vaccination or medication is 100% free of side effects, and no vaccination is 100% effective, but I would rather take my chances with a sore arm and a 24 hour headache than getting covid and being very ill or suffering from long covid or even worse.

The more the virus is transmitted, the more opportunities it has to mutate. This is the issue with not worrying about children catching it because "they don't become very ill." a) some of them do; but b) it can mutate in children.

It's just very scary to read about perfectly healthy people getting blood clots and unable to move as soon as they get the vaccine

'Unable to move'' is incredibly rare. Even blood clots only happen to a tiny minority. You're much more likely to get blood clots from Covid itself.

It's very scary to read about tens of thousands of people dying of Covid, and many times more (including several people I know) suffering long-term complications. Long Covid doesn't spare the young and healthy; the youngest person I know with it is 15 with no previous known health conditions.

And people in a care home usually aren't perfectly healthy: if they were, they wouldn't be in a care home.

I do think that it's unfair to single out care workers; doctors and nurses should also be vaccinated.

@thepeopleversuswork

Say you are dismissed from your job on account of choosing not to have the vaccine. How do you explain your dismissal to another prospective employer? These are some of the most financially vulnerable workers in society and they're being picked off and made an example of. It's sickening.

Well you'll have to explain that you weren't prepared to meet the basic threshold required from you of safeguarding in a safeguarding profession.

They are financially vulnerable members of society and I have huge admiration for care workers. But this is a completely groundless argument: why does the fact that they are financially vulnerable entitle them to duck out of the requirement to protect the people they are employed to care for?

If you were fired from a care home job for failing to take hygiene precautions would you insist it was your 'human right' to not wash your hands after using the toilet? That simply wouldn't wash.

I'm getting really cross seeing this being spun into an argument about how this is anti-poor misogyny: this is such bullshit.

Very well said.

If it was my vulnerable relative you were looking after, I'd be mightily cheesed off if you weren't doing all you could to a) stay healthy and b) prevent onwards transmission

I actually volunteered for a clinical trial (so I would get vaccinated early).

No such thing as altruism...

I got 2 shots of the J&J so I'm on 10G and my wifi reception is THROUGH THE ROOF!

All clinicians have to get their HepB. I'm not so sure why a requirement for ALL front line care workers to be vaccinated is considered a violation of their human rights when there is a clear presedent example.

One way or another eventually you will develop immunity to COVID. It can be through a very safe and effective vaccine (yes, it is, not surprisingly the media report all the bad stuff and none of the millions of people who have no problems) or you can get the disease which may kill you.

Don't think it's compulsory yet. They are just talking about it although most people think that it should be, including myself. Correct me if I'm wrong.

All clinicians have to get their HepB. I'm not so sure why a requirement for ALL front line care workers to be vaccinated is considered a violation of their human rights when there is a clear presedent example

the most obvious difference seems to be that we have long term data on the HepB vaccines, whereas we dont with covid vaccines.
There is precedent, but it's not closely analogous.

I agree with getting the vaccine. I think if you choose a career working in the care sector it's a no brainer really and part of the responsibility of the employee.
Turn it around, what if you had a parent in a care home who was vunerable ? Would you be happier that the carers/ nurses who look after them were being as safe as possible ?

Are you never going to fly, drink alcohol,, go outside, have children... Walk down the street?.
All have elements of risk...
Zip into your clinically sound balloon for the next 50.yeats.

@Scrambledcustard

The vaccine doest stop you from passing it on though.

OP your probably going to have to get a new job if you dont want it. Making vaccines mandatory is against civil rights and should not be forced

Yes it does! It reduces transmission by 60%

It's not a vaccine it's an RNA Alternator MRNA Biotech technology and the Japanese doctor who invented the MRNA Biotech technology 30 years ago said you shouldn't give it to old people,care workers have seen people dying from the jab police were called to one care home as so many old people had died from it ,my Auntie did ,

As PP said, get vaccine or get a new job. I didn't want a vaccine either, in my 40's and healthy blah blah blah. But, got a new job in a care home after been frontline retail and I took it no questions asked. It is expected of you so you have two choices.

One of the possible side effects Is death so I wouldn’t have it. This is still on trial & no long term side effects are known. Once you have it you can’t take it out so it’s up to you.
There is a template you can print to decline the jab.

Get the vaccine or get a new job. At the end of the day the residential care home is their home and they deserve to be safe in their own home!

I’m a carer and do not wish to have the vaccine for my own personal reasons, therefore I will be leaving my job.

You accept more risk every day getting into a car

@Maybevaccine

I'll have to get the vaccine aren't I? I mean now that they want to make it compulsory for care workers and NHS, I have to get it. My goal is it get into medicine in 2023, which is why I got this job so I can have some work experience. I literally have no choice as I'm always going to be working in healthcare.

You may want to look into being a doctor OP if you don’t want vaccines. A lot of specialties and most jobs require compulsory vaccination for things like Hepatitis I think. It’s in the job description, no jab no job. Which is fair enough.

I had the 2nd vaccine last Friday and it has been a huge relief.
I felt like there was a sniper outside who was randomly killing people and we didn't know who would be next.
I had AstraZeneca and apart from a slightly sore arm no side effects whatever.
I'm getting frustrated with all false news being perpetrated by people who haven't a clue.
Remember, the more people who have the vaccination, the less opportunity the virus has to mutate into something deadly.
If you are lying dying and gasping for breath from the virus, none of the people who gave you bad advice or spread fake news will be there holding your hand! And frankly, if you are going to be working with extremely vulnerable people you owe to them to protect them. Some of them will be immunocompromised on account of their age and very susceptible to serious illness and death from the virus. If you don't want to get the vaccination, get another job.

Really sad that people's rights to self autonomy are being taken away and no one gives a stuff. These aren't bad people saying they don't want the jab, they are carers who are concerned for their own health. As carers, you need to look after your own health to look after others. Care workers have their own families to look after and are rightly worried about the vaccines lack of data and testing. There needs to be an alternative - ie PPE mask wearing or weekly testing. So what happens when vaccinated people spread the virus, and they will, that's OK then?

And no I haven't and won't be having the vaccine due to a close family member being left with chemo due to his immune system turning in on itself. In intensive Care, blood clots on the brain, lungs and liver and a platelet transfusion 200 miles from home. Really folks, adverse reaction is real and it's increasing due to the numbers being vaccinated. Please don't bother saying that the combined pill has a higher risk, (I refused that too) we aren't talking about that, we are talking about a vaccination which uses new technology, which hasn't had several years of trialling. Really people, have we lost our critical thinking abilities?