Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

@Vaporate1986

If the government really cares they would have made the flu jab mandatory to make it ‘safe’ (overly abused word :)) .

Like I said expect exodus staff leaving.

There is an economic recession awaiting. Staffing may not be problematic in sectors that have essential demand. There will be keen unemployed workers waiting and students doing part time positions.

OK

Fundamentally where does this idea that the government cares about any of us, as individuals come from?

Because they don't.

They really don't.

@Vaporate1986

If the government really cares they would have made the flu jab mandatory to make it ‘safe’ (overly abused word :)) .

Like I said expect exodus staff leaving.

Don't forget, the flu vaccine only works against some flu strains and thousands still die from it every year. Oh wait....hang on....

Feel like I'm beating my head against a wall. It's like Boris and Co think that this virus is just going to dispel into thin air and be gone. It will be around for ever now, just like flu. Vaccination against either should be absolutely personal choice.

I will be leaving my role if I cannot have choice over my own body. Just because I do the job I do, doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to make alternative choices for my own health - I give people prescribed medicines every day, but don't take over the counter meds, I use a holistic approach for my own health.

And as we haven't agreed to live under utilitarian dictats it remains problematic that they don't.

So its really up to them; their methods or their rhetoric.

There is an economic recession awaiting. Staffing may not be problematic in sectors that have essential demand. There will be keen unemployed workers waiting and students doing part time positions.

I don't feel like carers who are forced into the role through lack of options will be the best carers.

Lucky me lives and works directly in a covid hotspot. A consultant at my local A/E put this on FB today; make of it what you will.

In the last 7 days he personally admitted 26 people who attended A/E with covid pneumonia. Mean age was 38. Ages ranges from 16-60.

Out of the 26 people admitted, 0.4% had co-morbidities.

2 people had had 1 vaccine and were awaiting their 2nd.

1 person had had 2 vaccines with the 2nd vaccine being a few days prior to their admission.

23 of the people had had no vaccine.

It’s pretty obvious. Get vaccinated, thus reducing hospital admissions, thus stop the daily obsession with community statistics, thus removing restrictions/isolations/cancellations for everyone far sooner.

Or- don’t get vaccinated, but accept that this decision will mean doing anything carries the quite likely risk of 10 days isolation due to the likelihood of triggering track and trace. And the possibility someone you know will end up in hospital (disclaimer, my 9 yr old has covid at the moment so I do realise the issues/worries involved).

Take the jab or don’t. Nobody cares really. People will only care if you are putting them or theirs at risk. Nobody really cares if you put yourself at risk. End of 🤷🏻‍♀️

@Scrambledcustard

The vaccine doest stop you from passing it on though.

OP your probably going to have to get a new job if you dont want it. Making vaccines mandatory is against civil rights and should not be forced

For goodness sake it is a reasonable requirement for the job. It is not mandatory. All jobs have different requirements and yours require a vaccination as you are caring for vulnerable people. As for civil rights what about the rights of those who require your care not to be infected by those asserting “civil rights” as a reason to avoid a means of harming them.

@ZednotZee

The virus isn't indiscriminate. Hardly any are.

I have nursed people who have been asymptomatic despite multiple comorbidities and those with no preexisting conditions excepting age who have died from it. Then there are those who didn't contract it at all.

I believe we should be afforded more transparency regarding the true risk factors for susceptibility and adverse outcomes of covid. We won't get them even if the research has been completed as it simply doesn't fit the narrative.

I am on your page. Also likely to have to leave a job I love, because I am not taking this vaccine (I've had covid too, contracted through the job, so even more maddening that I have built natural immunity too!!)

@baldafrique

(What I'm saying is they cant/wont add new vax in once already in post)

But if a patient catches covid whilst under your care you could be help personally liable. It is a condition of your registration to be up to date with your vaccines.

And that's apart from the moral question of potentially transmitting a disease when its potentially avoidable thus putting the patient that trusts you at risk.

First do no harm.

@Funfortheroad

There is an economic recession awaiting. Staffing may not be problematic in sectors that have essential demand. There will be keen unemployed workers waiting and students doing part time positions.

I don't feel like carers who are forced into the role through lack of options will be the best carers.

Agreed. Also desperate student for cash won’t last in care.

End of the day the ppl who will suffer are the service users through lack of staff desperate for basic personal hygiene.

@TenBobNote

Take the jab or don’t. Nobody cares really. People will only care if you are putting them or theirs at risk. Nobody really cares if you put yourself at risk. End of 🤷🏻‍♀️

But if they're so confident the vaccine works (and trying to push it into everyone, so clearly they do) then why would people be at risk??

They're already protected if they've had the jab themselves, so if someone doesn't take the vaccine, it should be their right and their choice to take the risk of contracting covid.

And there’s school staff crying out for vaccines because they teach 300 unvaccinated kids a week.

Get the vaccine or quit your job. It’s not exactly rocket science. You’d be a pretty shit carer anyway if you’d happily put the health of the vulnerable people you’re looking after at risk.

Ultimately it is case of whether or not you can afford to dissent.

Now I wonder why they started the ball rolling with social care?
Of course it is to protect the vulnerable, whom they killed in their droves with their ineffectual and criminal discharge procedures last spring.
How could it be for any other reason?

Someone up thread said they resented people linking antivax and lack of education. I think it is inevitable to make that link when the logical conclusion of the evidence is to get vaccinated.

But I also think you have a choice and if you make it to remain unvaccinated you can hardly complain if that has consequences.

@mrsnoodle55

Lucky me lives and works directly in a covid hotspot. A consultant at my local A/E put this on FB today; make of it what you will.

In the last 7 days he personally admitted 26 people who attended A/E with covid pneumonia. Mean age was 38. Ages ranges from 16-60.

Out of the 26 people admitted, 0.4% had co-morbidities.

2 people had had 1 vaccine and were awaiting their 2nd.

1 person had had 2 vaccines with the 2nd vaccine being a few days prior to their admission.

23 of the people had had no vaccine.

It’s pretty obvious. Get vaccinated, thus reducing hospital admissions, thus stop the daily obsession with community statistics, thus removing restrictions/isolations/cancellations for everyone far sooner.

Or- don’t get vaccinated, but accept that this decision will mean doing anything carries the quite likely risk of 10 days isolation due to the likelihood of triggering track and trace. And the possibility someone you know will end up in hospital (disclaimer, my 9 yr old has covid at the moment so I do realise the issues/worries involved).

26 people. In a population of 60+ MILLION. Panic stations.

Regarding ‘what about the vulnerable ppl who you look after etc’

So the point In negative lateral flow tests or PCR tests face mask full PPE?

@CookieClub
The AZ vaccine is around up to 88% effective - so it doesn't work on everyone. The best defence again covid is for it not to be rampant in the population in the first place. That's why the medics are so keen to get everyone vaccinated FAST.

@Lalliella

Get the vaccine or quit your job. It’s not exactly rocket science. You’d be a pretty shit carer anyway if you’d happily put the health of the vulnerable people you’re looking after at risk.

In your opinion.

Having the right to choose while following PPE and negative tests is the point in all this.

Narcissistic views doesn’t make it right to be blunt.

Looking back to the thousands of UK care home Covid fatalities. Hypothetically what if an unvaccinated asymptomatic care worker causes a Covid fatality to a vulnerable elderly care home resident? What is that elderly person was you or your granny?

PPE and negative tests are not as effective as PPE and negative tests + vaccination.

If it was my elderly relative in a care hone I'd want them to be cared for only by those vaccinated.

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia

Looking back to the thousands of UK care home Covid fatalities. Hypothetically what if an unvaccinated asymptomatic care worker causes a Covid fatality to a vulnerable elderly care home resident? What is that elderly person was you or your granny?

Hence producing lateral flow test before entry.

Laughable really considering this has already happened no doubt with staff in previous years infecting clients with the flu and dieting from such.

And there’s school staff crying out for vaccines because they teach 300 unvaccinated kids a week.

Anyone over the age of 21 can book their vaccine so really how many teachers are "crying out" for vaccines? Almost everyone I know has had at least one jab or has their first appointment in the next week or two, I can only think of two who haven't and of those two, one had covid very recently so had to cancel their appointment and the other is due to give birth pretty much any time now and wanted to wait until afterwards to book it.