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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

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ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 23:39

Scrubbing up and being forced to have a vaccine is slightly different

No shit? Grin

etopp · 16/06/2021 23:40

@Benjispruce3

Should a surgeon have a choice whether to scrub up before operating on you?
Hardly a well thought through analogy.

But this kind of ridiculous comment is precisely why I came off MN in the first place. Not sure why I ventured back, as it's still as batshit as it was during the first lockdown.

CookieClub · 16/06/2021 23:40

@BlatantlyNameChanged

Its 'my body my choice' when you want to abort a pregnancy/unborn baby but not when you refuse to have a vaccine

It's still your body and your choice however the care sector also have the choice to set their own terms of employment and if you cannot fulfil them then you cannot work there.

And the most infuriating thing is...they have already said that vaccinated people can still carry, pass and suffer from covid SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??

There is evidence to show that vaccinated people are unlikely to carry/pass on covid and that if they do catch it they are very unlikely to require hospital treatment.

No, but you can get shingles after you've had chicken pox...

One of the reasons the UK doesn't routinely vaccinated for chickenpox is that exposure to CP can give an immunity boost that helps prevent shingles. We also have a shingles vaccine for vulnerable groups and those who want the CP vaccine can have it done privately for around £50-£60 a dose (two doses needed), people who are vulnerable and wouldnbe seriously unwell if they caught CP can be vaccinated on the NHS. I don't know what the current position is but there was some discussion going on a few years ago about adding it to the childhood vaccination programme as a MMRV vaccine (measles, mumps, rubella, varicella) but I'd guess that any studies/talks/proposals will have stalled.

There is evidence to show that vaccinated people are unlikely to carry/pass on covid and that if they do catch it they are very unlikely to require hospital treatment.

This virus has a HUGE survival rate, with the majority of people not needing any medical treatment whatsover. It is generally a mild illness, treated at home.

I can't believe the powers in charge have managed to scaremonger a whole country into believing they are absolutely doomed if they catch this virus. Beginning to think Boris and Co must suffer from extreme anxiety disorders, the reaction is so OTT.

We are on the way out of this...most people are vaccinated, so why not wait and see? The rates will rise, thats inevitable because people are finally mixing for the first time in months and months...but to make a vaccine mandatory, is unfair and should remain unlawful.

Can't wait for the next election, He is OUT

HalzTangz · 16/06/2021 23:41

Personally I think the vaccine should be compulsory for all with the exception of those unable to have the jab on medical grounds

mrstt89 · 16/06/2021 23:42

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baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:42

@HalzTangz
Enforced how?

ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 23:42

@baldafrique

Well, I'm a nurse and I work in social care so yes they are doing this to nurses, albeit not NHS ones. Because, well, unions I suppose.

The GMC are opposed to this happening in care homes because they aren't stupid and they can appreciate the precedent.

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 16/06/2021 23:43

@BlatantlyNameChanged

Except they are talking about doing it with doctors and nurses and have said they're looking at it being a condition of employment for them too.
Every doctor I know including family members were first to be double vaccinated (unless very very rarely medically incompatible) after the most medically vulnerable. Nurses depends as some were redeployed to non patient facing roles. Apparently BAME medical staff for some reason were more proportionately impacted by Covid but ironically some of the nurses from these demographics were least keen to be vaccinated (first).
baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:43

@mrstt89
Yup. It's a total pisstake. People are ridiculous if they think the NHS will sack any in-post doctors for not having the vaccine. It will never happen in a million years. Yet its OK to do the same to care home staff apparently. Yuck.

olidora63 · 16/06/2021 23:44

@BlatantlyNameChanged

Should a surgeon have a choice whether to scrub up before operating on you?

Scrubbing up is part of clinical protocols and therefore not optional, no scrub up means no participation in the surgery, much like no vaccine means no job in the care sector.

Scrubbing up does not have any impact on your body....absolutely no comparison!
BanditoShipman · 16/06/2021 23:44

@Benjispruce3

What difference? About a 90% reduction in death. Is that enough for you?
Thank you for posting this.

I keep wanting to respond to them but I just can’t bring myself to argue with someone that thick. It’s actually making me twitch just reading their posts.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:45

People would also be surprised at how many NHS doctors arent vaccinated. (Disclaimer - not saying I agree with this before I get lynched).

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:46

@ZednotZee

Scrubbing up and being forced to have a vaccine is slightly different

No shit? Grin

Don’t you recognise sarcasm?
BanditoShipman · 16/06/2021 23:47

@Vaporate1986

Carers have thought this through actually.

It is very undemocratic to make this mandatory. No sane person will allow forced vaccinations to be made upon them the right to choose is a basic human right.

There is no but here.

Yes you can choose, jab or job.
madroid · 16/06/2021 23:47

[quote baldafrique]@mrstt89
I'm a doctor and I totally agree with you. Its appalling they're going for care home staff when they wouldnt dream of imposing this on medics.[/quote]
I don't know what you're talking about @baldafrique

It is a condition of your registration that your vaccination status is up to date. You are leaving yourself very exposed personally and professionally if you neglect that.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:48

@madroid
Covid vac isnt on that list though.
I could be wrong, I just cant see it ever happening. New medics to the NHS - yes. Existing ones - no. They wont sack medics for not having it.
No skin of my nose, I'm pro vax.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:48

Off *

ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 16/06/2021 23:49

@baldafrique

People would also be surprised at how many NHS doctors arent vaccinated. (Disclaimer - not saying I agree with this before I get lynched).
The only surprise is any? Possibly very different around the globe as some nations don’t have vaccines.
baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:49

(What I'm saying is they cant/wont add new vax in once already in post)

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:50

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia
It's been a shock to me too! Cant get my head around it.

Patapouf · 16/06/2021 23:50

Don't kill our grannies WinkGrinGrin

I like to think I believe in choices when it comes to vaccination but not if you've chosen to work in an environment with medically vulnerable. Get the jabs or find a job where you aren't increasing the risks for the people you work with!!

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:51

I have already chosen mate :) the government will reap what they sow too.

MissTrip82 · 16/06/2021 23:53

@baldafrique

It honestly will never happen for medics (rightly or wrongly). Even nurses I would be surprised.
I’m an ICU dr and have to provide evidence of full vaccination status at each unit when I start work. I can refuse any and all vaccines - but I cannot remain employed in ICU if I do so. This has been the case since I started working in ICU 15 years ago.

In any event every ICU dr and nurse I know of (several hundred) almost bit the arm off the vaccinator in their rush to get the vaccine. Perspective does that for you, I suppose. Of course we also had to stagger our vaccines with our annual flu vaccination. ECMO tends to give one a bit of perspective on that one also.

I cannot imagine being so selfish as to put vulnerable people at risk. But if were inclined to do so - then yes, I would need to move on from my job. There would be other roles available to me. But not this one.

This is reality for many professions. It is quite normal for various restrictions to apply if we wish to continue working in our field.

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:56

If the government really cares they would have made the flu jab mandatory to make it ‘safe’ (overly abused word :)) .

Like I said expect exodus staff leaving.

ZednotZee · 17/06/2021 00:00

@Vaporate1986

Mate, I posted in solidarity Hmm