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Any Carers here who are not taking the vaccine?

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Maybevaccine · 16/06/2021 18:57

It's apparently been confirmed now that it is compulsory for care home workers and other carers to take the vaccine.

I just got a job in a care home, and I've always said no to the vaccine. Mainly because of the things I've seen and read of people who've had the vaccine. Blood clots, death, rashes, and people still getting covid after taking the vaccine.

I don't know what to do now.

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ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia · 16/06/2021 23:22

@baldafrique

Hopefully lots of school leavers will enter the care sector soon, or it is going to be so fucked :(
Preferably we need more high level scientist and medics to actually do the heavy lifting to save us! Other staff can be imported if necessary. Many advance nations already do this with movements of nurses globally pre pandemic. However full vaccination would be required for international travel/mixing anyway eg overseas UK NHS staff visiting family globally etc.
Immajaz · 16/06/2021 23:24

I absolutely agree that anyone working with the vulnerable should be vaccinated. And I think this will extend far beyond the health/care sectors in time.

The choice is there now to to be vaccinated but in choosing that I feel that you also will need to accept a very restricted lifestyle.... Night in a hotel? Holiday cottage? Theme park? Cinema? Train journey? I really do think we will have to prove our immunity for a long time to come yet. And quite rightly so.

I say this having worked directly with covid patients during both waves. The impact will stay with me forever. Traumatic doesn't describe what healthcare workers have seen. Nobody wants to see more vulnerable (and some very fit and healthy) people dying in this way. It's horrific.

Do the right thing, get vaccinated, to protect not only yourself but society as a whole. To not get the jab is quite frankly just very selfish.

So jab or job. The choice is yours.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:24

@ResIpsaLoquiturInterAlia
Care sector as in care homes :)

CookieClub · 16/06/2021 23:26

@Benjispruce3

How can it be an over reaction? Did you see how stretched hospitals were???
were???

^Being the key word in your sentence.

Benjispruce3 · 16/06/2021 23:27

Yes and vaccines have reduced the hospital workload. Jesus Christ!!!!!!!

BoredOfThisShit · 16/06/2021 23:27

2 options

Get the vaccine

Find a new job

MyrrAgain · 16/06/2021 23:28

@TheGumption

What's your motivation to go into medicine if you have no confidence in science?!
This.

Seriously - someone wants to get "into medicine" but is asking these questions and takes this stance? Good luck...

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:29

The right thing is having the choice, not a forced one.

Benjispruce3 · 16/06/2021 23:31

Should a surgeon have a choice whether to scrub up before operating on you?

RampantIvy · 16/06/2021 23:32

@Countrygirl38

I do wish some people would stop implying that carers that have refused the covid vaccination are just uneducated. I know lots of people including myself that work in social care and have qualifications at degree level and above. Lots have been health professionals too in the past. Don't make assumptions on why a fair amount of carers don't want the covid vaccination. Please don't assume it is because of education levels, not understanding how vaccines work etc.
Because I have yet to see a valid, well informed and educated reason why someone doesn't want the vaccine. All the reasons given so far haven't been backed up by scientific evidence.

The knee jerk reactions from carers is doing them no favours and gives me the impression that they haven't thought this through.

CookieClub · 16/06/2021 23:32

@Immajaz

I absolutely agree that anyone working with the vulnerable should be vaccinated. And I think this will extend far beyond the health/care sectors in time.

The choice is there now to to be vaccinated but in choosing that I feel that you also will need to accept a very restricted lifestyle.... Night in a hotel? Holiday cottage? Theme park? Cinema? Train journey? I really do think we will have to prove our immunity for a long time to come yet. And quite rightly so.

I say this having worked directly with covid patients during both waves. The impact will stay with me forever. Traumatic doesn't describe what healthcare workers have seen. Nobody wants to see more vulnerable (and some very fit and healthy) people dying in this way. It's horrific.

Do the right thing, get vaccinated, to protect not only yourself but society as a whole. To not get the jab is quite frankly just very selfish.

So jab or job. The choice is yours.

And quite rightly so

This kind of attitude saddens me. What happened to live and let live?

You actually think that people that haven't had a vaccine should have their freedoms revoked?

How is this any different to saying those that smoke can't socialise (they put others at risk and cost the NHS millions) etc.
Where does it end??

The mainstream media and the absolute clowns in power have successfully divided a nation; what a time to be alive Sad

BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 23:33

Its 'my body my choice' when you want to abort a pregnancy/unborn baby but not when you refuse to have a vaccine

It's still your body and your choice however the care sector also have the choice to set their own terms of employment and if you cannot fulfil them then you cannot work there.

And the most infuriating thing is...they have already said that vaccinated people can still carry, pass and suffer from covid SO WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??

There is evidence to show that vaccinated people are unlikely to carry/pass on covid and that if they do catch it they are very unlikely to require hospital treatment.

No, but you can get shingles after you've had chicken pox...

One of the reasons the UK doesn't routinely vaccinated for chickenpox is that exposure to CP can give an immunity boost that helps prevent shingles. We also have a shingles vaccine for vulnerable groups and those who want the CP vaccine can have it done privately for around £50-£60 a dose (two doses needed), people who are vulnerable and wouldnbe seriously unwell if they caught CP can be vaccinated on the NHS. I don't know what the current position is but there was some discussion going on a few years ago about adding it to the childhood vaccination programme as a MMRV vaccine (measles, mumps, rubella, varicella) but I'd guess that any studies/talks/proposals will have stalled.

MareofBeasttown · 16/06/2021 23:33

At least in the nursing profession, there are millions of English speaking S Asian and Filipino nurses who will take the jab and do the job.

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:33

Carers have thought this through actually.

It is very undemocratic to make this mandatory. No sane person will allow forced vaccinations to be made upon them the right to choose is a basic human right.

There is no but here.

CookieClub · 16/06/2021 23:34

@Vaporate1986

The right thing is having the choice, not a forced one.
100%
ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 23:34

Just to add another slant to the argument;

Who is going to be willing to vaccinate those whose consent is given only under duress at the prospect of losing their job?

As an HCP, I wouldn't.
Perhaps thats why they are using med students.

BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 23:35

Should a surgeon have a choice whether to scrub up before operating on you?

Scrubbing up is part of clinical protocols and therefore not optional, no scrub up means no participation in the surgery, much like no vaccine means no job in the care sector.

ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 23:36

Lots of social care staff will object on the basis that we have been treated as bovine collateral.

To be honest, it is insulting.

mrstt89 · 16/06/2021 23:36

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Crabbypaddy · 16/06/2021 23:37

I don’t know why people question anything about the vaccines on this forum as you just get eaten alive Grin

BlatantlyNameChanged · 16/06/2021 23:37

Except they are talking about doing it with doctors and nurses and have said they're looking at it being a condition of employment for them too.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:38

@mrstt89
I'm a doctor and I totally agree with you. Its appalling they're going for care home staff when they wouldnt dream of imposing this on medics.

Vaporate1986 · 16/06/2021 23:38

@BlatantlyNameChanged

Should a surgeon have a choice whether to scrub up before operating on you?

Scrubbing up is part of clinical protocols and therefore not optional, no scrub up means no participation in the surgery, much like no vaccine means no job in the care sector.

Scrubbing up and being forced to have a vaccine is slightly different
ZednotZee · 16/06/2021 23:38

They are doing it to nurses though.

Nursing homes.

We are not; on the whole unionised though. Also we do not galvanise cohesively ad a workforce, being as it is that we work for wholly separate limited companies or in separate third sector providers.

baldafrique · 16/06/2021 23:38

It honestly will never happen for medics (rightly or wrongly). Even nurses I would be surprised.