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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Unknown babysitter because DH wants to go out

303 replies

Rosieposie79 · 16/06/2021 11:23

I am not sure if I am being over cautious or whether other mums would think this okay.
I have to go out to a work event this eve - a very rare evening thing that has been in calender for months.
DH decided yesterday that weather was perfect for him to do his sport tonight. We don't have any local family or regular babysitter and without consulting me he has asked neighbours' daughter (in early 20s) to babysit our children (3 & 5). I am sure this girl is lovely but we hardly know her, she has never met our kids and to my knowledge has very little experience of young children. She would need to put them to bed because children would be home from afterschool club just before we both need to leave at 6pm.
Not only do I feel uncomfortable dumping young children with a stranger for bedtime when they would usually expect stories and cuddles with us. But there are also all the activities of bath time when I just feel it needs someone with a bit more experience to do this safely.
I just feel DH is being unreasonable and there will be lots of other opportunities to do his sport. He should just stay and look after kids as agreed.
He is having a big old sulk and thinks I am being overprotective.

OP posts:
rachelstriffle · 16/06/2021 16:15

FourTeaFallOut

instead of making personal attacks, you should read my post, you are spectacularly missing the point.

You're all being mean to men
actually, by pretending the parent organising a babysitter when the other is working is a selfish CF, who do you think you are targeting the most?

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 16/06/2021 16:15

YANBU. Some 20 year olds have experience with younger siblings, cousins etc. At 20 I'd have had no idea whatsoever and would have been disgusted if I'd realised a 3 year old might have needed help wiping their bum or not realised that it might not be a good idea to leave a window wide open with a chair underneath it etc.

The point is 1. It's not a necessary or planned night out, it can easily be postponed and 2. You don't really know whether she is going to be good with your kids or not and 3. He didnt discuss it.

I think point 2 shows that it could be a risk. Its unknown what she is like and therefore there is a risk your kids may be unhappy at best or unsafe at worst. For some things like emergency situations I think this would be a risk worth taking. But for a last minute decision to do a hobby that could be done whenever....not worth it for me.

FourTeaFallOut · 16/06/2021 16:17

Which one of your many, varied and diametrically opposed points would that be? Grin

Saoirse82 · 16/06/2021 16:17

Absolutely not! YANBU. And to the person who said OP is being precious by not leaving her children with someone she nor her children know is batshit! My parents wouldn't have left me with a stranger and I certainly wouldn't do it with my own kids either.

AcrossthePond55 · 16/06/2021 16:19

As far as the ability to safely watch the DC, I wouldn't worry about a 20 year old's capability to keep the children from harm.

As far as the DC's comfort with her, only the OP knows if her DC will 'settle' with her for the evening or will pine and cry the entire time. As long as they'll be OK in that regards I wouldn't have a problem.

As far as her being a 'danger' to the children, I know it's not a 100% guarantee, but if I knew the family to be 'good people' and had never felt 'vibes' then I'd be OK.

We ended up having to leave our 2 DC (4 & 8) with a coworker's teen DD whom we had never met for a few hours when my mum suddenly became ill. We had her come a bit early and after about 15 mins of 'side-eye' from the DC we popped in a video and they settled next to her and all was well. We weren't going to be super late so we bathed them early, put them in pjs then told her that if they fussed about going to bed to just let them stay up and put out pillows and blankets on the couch. We came home to them asleep on the couch with her nestled between them.

She became a favourite 'go to' sitter when the parents weren't available.

Temp023 · 16/06/2021 16:20

I left my 3 and 5 year old with someone so inexperienced that she thought they would tell her when it was bedtime. They were both still up at half ten and we had chips.

whatisheupto · 16/06/2021 16:23

No YANBU. I wouldn't have left kids age 3 and 5 with someone we hardly knew and they'd never met, certainly not for bath and bedtime. I could barely get them both to bed myself!!

youngandbroken · 16/06/2021 16:27

YABU if only because your calling a grown woman in her 20s a girl and infantalizing her. At her age she would be more than capable of safely watching two children - many women have their own children at that age. However, it is not unreasonable to not want someone who has never met your children before bathing them (personally I prefer my children to skip the bath if I am leaving them with a babysitter) and depending on how sensitive your children are they might struggle to settle with a stranger too.

rachelstriffle · 16/06/2021 16:29

@FourTeaFallOut

Which one of your many, varied and diametrically opposed points would that be? Grin
I see, you are missing out on the sarcastic posts. Never mind Wink
rachelstriffle · 16/06/2021 16:30

OP, how many hours is your DH planning on being away for?

This thread is making it sound like an overnighter with a complete stranger, children needing settling-in sessions..

I know this is MN where a 16 year old is not allowed home alone, but still.

poptartsarefood · 16/06/2021 16:33

I'd be okay with neighbour's twenty year old daughter for a few hours at that age. They probably go to nursery/reception without any issue and they'll be at home. But if you're uncomfortable, bin it as you won't be able to relax. It should have been agreed together

Bizawit · 16/06/2021 16:36

@rachelstriffle

Bizawit

I don't agree with the hypocrisy, sexism and double standard on this thread if that's all right with you?

Why, what are YOU on about?

Where the hell is any of that???

The OP is going out for one off/ rare evening to a work event agreed long in advance. Instead of looking after his own children, as agreed, her DH has decided at the last minute to organise a stranger to put their small kids to bed because he’d rather go do his hobby. Confused How is that your idea of fairness?? You sound like a raging MRA and completely deranged.

gah2teenagers · 16/06/2021 16:40

The most blatant case of not wanting to look after his own kids ever. What a useless dick

Branleuse · 16/06/2021 16:42

unless your children are particularly difficult, then I dont see the problem. I was babysitting from about 14.

I think id say to your husband that he needs to be the one on-call though, and to not be out too long sportsing

LowlandLucky · 16/06/2021 16:47

Good lord, i was baby sitting from my early teens for people i had never met. I used to put a card in the local newsagents to tout for business. The children were fine and so was i. In this case it is a 20 something neighbour that will be babysitting, they will be fine.

Moonwhite · 16/06/2021 16:50

Your DH is a twat.

wherewildflowersgrow · 16/06/2021 16:50

When my own children were young I didn't leave them with complete strangers, although we did have childcare for work. So I sympathise.

Bizawit · 16/06/2021 16:55

People who are commenting on the age of the proposed babysitter are missing the point. It’s not about how old she is , it’s the fact that she’s a stranger to both parents and children. Even if she’s responsible , safe and good with children (unknown) the kids are really young / not old enough to put/ settle themselves to bed, and have never met her! How are they supposed to feel comfortable being settled to bed by a complete stranger? Not fair on them at all. Noway would I be comfortable leaving my toddler with a stranger to put them to bed.

AnyaDoesntLikeBunnies · 16/06/2021 17:00

I don't think it would be a massive issue to use this girl as a babysitter, if you and DH wanted to go out for lunch one weekend say and she just had to sit with them for the first time while you got to know her and know she was okay.

I think DH is being MASSIVELY U by wanting to go to his sport on the one day you have something planned - a work function nonetheless.

summerisler · 16/06/2021 17:08

YANBU. No way I would be leaving my precious children with some unknown woman. Nope. Your DH is out of order. My children would be very upset - and rightly so.

YellowFish12 · 16/06/2021 17:12

I don't know if I would want her doing bath and bed for her first time babysitting, i'd say no to this and set up a meting and then use her once they are already in bed.

Warrickdaviesasplates · 16/06/2021 17:15

@Eilidh1003

You are being massively unreasonable. It’s time to loosen up a bit. We are in danger in this society of doubting everyone and thinking they are dangerous or some sort of threat. Unfortunately those types do exist but it’s rare. Most adults can cope with a couple of kids for a few hours. She’s not a stranger altogether she’s a neighbours daughter. You’re acting like it’s some random off the street!
I couldn't disagree more with this point of view.

To me it doesn't matter if the bad types of people are "rare", I will do what I can to keep my kids safe and not just trust random people with their care in a hope that they aren't one of the "rare" bad eggs.

I've lived in my current home for six years and couldn't pick my neighbours daughter out of a line up.

The kids have never met this woman, Op and her DH barely know her at all and he's happy to leave her in his home with his children while he is out on a last minute jolly. Op is at a work event, you'd think he would be trying to make things less stressful for everyone not put her under extra pressure at work worrying about the DC's

Op, your DH needs to grow up, step up and stop being so selfish. He can do his sport another time, your event has been booked for a while (I assume) and is work related so takes priority. No way on earth would I be leaving my children with someone I didn't know and trust 100%.

Blondeshavemorefun · 16/06/2021 17:16

Most babysitters don’t bath children

ESP those they have never met

They will survive without a bath

They may settle with a stranger. They may not

Can she come over an hour earlier to meet kids and you

NellieEllie · 16/06/2021 17:20

Some people would be OK with this and some wouldn't. I think, with some caveats, either is entirely reasonable. I would not have left either of mine at that age with anyone I didn’t know. We all set our own boundaries and rules based on what we feel is best for our kids.
I would have been furious if my DH had opted out of childcare when he knew I had to go out and made arrangements without checking with me.

Graphista · 16/06/2021 17:20

Absolutely not!

My ex once tried something similar - ONCE - very quickly learned not to try something so stupid again!

I never once had anyone babysit Dd that she and I didn't know very well.

My parents used to use people they phoned from a card in newsagents! We had some horrors - from just inexperienced to thieving to downright nasty though thankfully (more by luck than judgment) not abusive

No way in hell would I have done that to dd - or to myself peace or mind wise!

Given you don't have a regular sitter I'm going to guess you RARELY get to go out of an evening op? And that when you do he is a petulant prat?

His bloody sport can wait one night!

but you actually do know this person barely!

Then on this thread you have a husband who has taken the initiative and sorted out a perfectly reasonable childcare solution

Totally disagree

This is the perfect example of a DJ NOT stepping up on childcare and a stranger to the dc and barely known to the parents is NOT a suitable solution

Unfortunately those types do exist but it’s rare

Really not that rare. Certainly not that rare that someone with little experience with children wouldn't be able to cope with v young children without the potential at least for distressed children!

It's not essential he go out he's just being a sulky toddler! Rather than actually stepping up and being a supportive husband and father

'everyone' is someone's son or daughter, it means nothing.

Exactly!

It's also a really worrying example for such young children expecting them to trust and feel safe with a stranger!

what is the worst case scenario that could possibly happen here?

I can think of a fair few that are HORRIFYING

Does he ever look after the children alone?

I'm guessing extremely rarely if at all

He is a parent as much as you.

He's a shit one if he thinks this is sensible or acceptable!

Isn't this how most people start off with babysitters?

No, most people choose sitters they know and trust and they know their dc are comfortable with these days

You both really should have thought about this earlier. op did! Dh has moved the goalposts last min for an unnecessary reason

I can't believe people think this is ok

I'm truly genuinely shocked!

@rachelstriffle I'd be just as tough and just as shocked and just as critical if a woman were to do this nonsense

Why is his judgement of the neighbour not acceptable? because it's someone the parents barely know and who isn't known to the dc AT ALL. He isn't caring about providing safe childcare for his dc he is only focused on getting to do what he wants and not parenting them

A vagina isn't a DBS certificate.

Damn straight! And sexually predatory or criminally abusive behaviour is not the only concern!

DBS is not a guarantee either but there's been no effort at all here to ensure this is a suitable sitter

With anyone who babysat dd I felt confident she knew and liked them and they knew and liked her, knew her foibles and medical info, knew the area and how to handle an emergency...

There are so so many factors

You don't demand that your partner gives up his plans.

Jesus! Why the hell not?! His LAST MINUTE AND UNNECESSARY. Desire to do a sport comes way down the list of priorities here! The couple planned for op to be out, him to stay home and actually take care of his kids. No need for him to go out when you have kids and childcare has to be considered you need to plan more in advance.

20 year olds are not unsuitable babysitters.

Very much depends on the 20 year old. I've a lot of experience as a babysitter, nanny and childminder plus I'm an ex nurse so pretty sorted for emergencies

I know of plenty of 20 year olds, 20 somethings from when I was that age and up to an inc now who have no experience with children and would fly into a panic at the slightest hint of trouble let alone a genuine emergency

do you normally take the kids at work with you if you are so horrified about leaving them with someone else?

Using a nursery, or childminder or nanny is a completely different scenario plus this childcare has training, experience, dbs checks AND most parents arrange a settling in period with this type of childcare - I certainly did both as a a childcare provider and a parent, even the kids I babysat as a teen I knew them and their families well

Kids were always fine with them that's what my parents would have said - they were wrong

Aside from that one occasion where ex was an idiot! When we were together we either tag teamed or if going out together it was someone we knew well and dd knew and we trusted that babysat. After we split I had little to no support network so I simply didn't go out until i had built friendships and connections such that again I had sitters I knew and trusted. Ex when he had dc with 2nd wife by this point knew better than on the idiot occasion and they tag team or use trusted sitters. The 2nd wife was one of our sitters at one point (yea I know cliché) and actually in conversation at this time I told of the idiot occasion, she was not yet a mother and even then she was shocked and said he was an idiot!

My parents have never sat dd as they cannot be trusted. I had very very good reasons for making that decision (dad a creep, mum didn't believe it) dd is now an adult.

She was babysat by others I trusted and as she grew older she was able to confirm these sitters were good, kind, sensible people.

I may not have got everything right parenting wise who does, but this is pretty bloody basic in my eyes!

When I told them they were actually quite excited!

Children (thankfully) aren't aware of the potential issues parents should be. Plus it's one thing as an abstract idea it's quite another for a young child to wake to a complete stranger especially if eg they were having a nightmare or were taken ill

But you didn't mean THAT reverse did you? Women are always default carers, whether they're wives or neighbours.

Exactly!