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Using my inheritance to fund adult child's PhD: Aibu not to? Long post, sorry

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toconclude · 14/06/2021 12:44

DS2 has his heart set on an academic career in a niche subject(not STEM), related to his special interest - he's autistic but no LD in fact very bright. He lives rent free in his own home funded by a lump sum from invested DLA plus interest free loan from us.

Bluntly I feel his ambition is not realistic: even were he not autistic, openings in his field are very rare. But he's decided it's the only thing that will make him happy and talks of feeling very low if he can't achieve it. I've tried gently but clearly explaining how tough making an academic career is - I know people who have struggled severely and had in the end to follow other paths. Have suggested he look more short term and try to find more rewarding work day to day, get involved in his local community etc and follow the special interest as a hobby. Every conversation circles round to the same subject though.

He also struggles to stay employed anyway but puts it down to the jobs not being suitable for him - imo there is more to it than that as he finds social interaction hard at times and any fast paced environment stressful. He has no real idea of academic work and thinks it's all interesting research and set piece lecturing. Sadly his tutors so far do not seem to have impressed the reality onto him.

Thing is, I could in theory use my inheritance from late DM to fund a PhD, though it would eat the majority of it up especially if I were to match fund DS1 which would only be fair. DH and I can live modestly on his decent pension and my small one (had to take long career break due to DS2 needs and unpredictable nature of DH job at the time meaning no money for childcare and irregular contract working so irregular paternal availability). After DH dies I should also be financially stable. DMs money is just for an income for treats at present, plus rainy day/eventual care fund. DS2 does not know how much I have but says if I were 'more supportive, like other parents (unspecified, but he's sure they exist and I guess probably they do)' I'd help him out more and specifically with more study.

I think we've helped him a fair bit including financially - he is 30 and has never had to pay rent either at home or away,we funded 5 years of post 18 living and housing costs for first degree and Masters topping up his student loan plus regularly buying things he needs/paying essential bills and some big ticket items though he has met his basic living expenses through earnings and benefits.

Having looked at various MN threads consensus appears to be that we should financially support him until he can support himself but what if that's the rest of our lives? Am I just a selfish bitch for wanting more than a basic retirement? What will DS1, who frankly doesn't like his brother very much owing to many childhood and later embarrassments/stresses and doesn't keep in close touch with him, make of it if I do?

It would be so much easier if we just couldn't afford it, tbh. I feel morally compromised because in theory the cash is there. First world/middle class problem, eh?

He will never do without essentials, we're committed to that. We just seem to have very different ideas on what's essentialConfused

A medal for anyone who got this far, lol. Didn't want to dripfeed.

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enjoyingscience · 14/06/2021 15:21

No no no. If he needs to self fund that’s a massive massive red flag that he isn’t right for a PhD, or that the area he is interested in is a dying field and won’t provide any use after he’s finished. There’s loads of funded programmes and universities are exceptionally well placed to support neuro-diverse students - has he really really exhausted all options to get a funded place?

TheoMeo · 14/06/2021 15:21

Academia can be pretty cutthroat from what I've heard - brains is not everything, so many students do Masters and PhDs nowadays.
I would get him to speak to (with or without you) others in his field of interest. How did their careers progress. He needs more info.

Tangled22 · 14/06/2021 15:22

Your son is completely mistaken with his impression that “good/supportive” parents fund a PhD. When people talk about funding their children as long as they’re in education- that doesn’t include a PhD!!!! Undergrad and masters, yes. But the vast vast majority of adults fund their own PhD, either by doing it part-time and working, or by gaining a fully or partially funded PhD.

TBH if the PhD programme is not at least partially funded by the university, then it’s not worth him doing it. If it was a project of any worth, the university would have funds to put towards it (and he could suppliment his grant with paid tutoring etc).

Don’t let him guilt-trip you into this. Have you searched to see if you can find any funded PhDs in his subject area, and sent him the links? He can apply. If he doesn’t get a funded place, that will act as a wake-up call for him.

SofiaMichelle · 14/06/2021 15:23

OP, it's understandable being torn over helping DC and wanting to hold on to your inheritance.

If you give him the money for this you know realistically it will only be a stopgap, don't you?

The inheritance would be gone and he'd still be in the same position as now, just with a PhD.

nettie434 · 14/06/2021 15:26

I have two sets of friends with sons with a learning disability. They couldn't do a PhD but they would so empathise with your worries abut the long term future.

I couldn't help noticing that the replies which are least enthusiastic about you funding your son's PhD are from people in a similar position to you in terms of supporting a neurodivergent child or those who have studied for a PhD.

Finance aside, I am not even sure that a PhD is right option for your son. You say he would not be studying a STEM subject. The expectation is that the thesis will present different theories and interpretations as context for the candidate's own original work. How easy would he find that? It's hard work doing a funded PhD as the candidates are usually doing it as a paid job and need to give up a lot of free time to writing up. However, PhD completion rates tend to be higher in this group than among self funders.

As osbertthesyrianhamster says, you have to think about your own health and long term future. You and your husband have done fantastically well to give him the security of his own home. There is a limit as to what you can do.

CorianderBee · 14/06/2021 15:27

Of course you shouldn't. If he wants a PHD then he needs to get sponsored like pretty much everyone else does.

toconclude · 14/06/2021 15:28

@SofiaMichelle

OP, it's understandable being torn over helping DC and wanting to hold on to your inheritance.

If you give him the money for this you know realistically it will only be a stopgap, don't you?

The inheritance would be gone and he'd still be in the same position as now, just with a PhD.

Yes, I do know that. He doesn't though, and is very...focused on that.
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FoxgloveSummers · 14/06/2021 15:28

I have a relative who was a little like this until the money dried up (mainly funding due to the field they were in). They now say they wished they’d quit academia earlier and got a professional/vocational qualification and I totally see why. If they were a qualified plumber/hairdresser/chartered surveyor they wouldn’t constantly having to be competing against the great tide of less qualified (but more “normal” in the interviewers’/colleagues’ eyes) humanity. Despite their difficulties they can work it’s the getting/keeping the jobs that can be so hard. If they had more status or special skills (not a bloody PhD, but a certification of some kind so they are “The” XYZ in a workplace) I think they’d find things so much easier. They’re considering it now but thanks to all the university time they’re much older and don’t have savings.

HollowTalk · 14/06/2021 15:29

@Shybutnotretiring

Very difficult issue. My son who has ASD and learning difficulties also has skewered thinking on this sort of thing (unless it's me being unreasonable). Daughter (also ASD) persuaded me to get a dog. He didn't want a dog so he considers I owe him the price of the dog! We live in 2-bed house so currently the lounge is my bedroom. Mercifully getting an extension done soon but he considers that selfish spending on my part. I hope he doesn't start thinking I owe him the money for that too ...
How old is your son? Is the plan that he'll live with you throughout his adult life? Is sheltered accommodation an option?
WeirdCatLady · 14/06/2021 15:31

Sorry if I’ve missed this, but is there some reason why he can’t get a doctoral loan via student finance?

Ellie56 · 14/06/2021 15:32

I don't think you should fund the PHD. And you shouldn't feel guilty either.You have already funded more than most parents could or would.

In any case, this sounds as though it would be money down the drain. And what happens when the academic career in the niche subject doesn't materialise? Will he want more money for something else?

Enough is enough. Use your money to treat yourself a bit.

osbertthesyrianhamster · 14/06/2021 15:35

Yes, I do know that. He doesn't though, and is very...focused on that.

Arrggh, it's a shame he even knew about it. We keep all money matters very close to our chests because if we won the EuroMillions it wouldn't be enough for him.

My father left them small legacies but only DD knows about it (my father wisely put DS's in trust and it will only pay out in small instalments once he reaches a certain age, no lump sum, he had the measure of him).

I'd tell him it's tied up in investments.

sonjadog · 14/06/2021 15:36

I work as an academic. The number of academic jobs for people post-phd is small and they are highly competitive. In my experience far too many students get so focused at getting into a phd programme that they forget to think long term, and then they get angry and disillusioned when there is no job for them at the end of their studies. Doesn't matter how brilliant their phd is, the jobs just aren't there. Personally, I think this should be talked about a lot more when students are applying for phds.

If your son is to have a chance at a academic career, he needs to show huge self-initiative now, and that includes working out how to find his own funding. If he is a strong candidate, his institute should be encouraging him. If he can't do that and he doesn't have institutional support for studying, then I would forget it. You are merely moving this problem four years down the line with a lot less money to throw at it there and then.

billy1966 · 14/06/2021 15:36

Don't fund it.

You sound like a wonderful mother.

If he is that interested he can work on one privately but I think handing over your inheritance for another hobby adventure is too much.

Don't entertain it.
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toconclude · 14/06/2021 15:37

@WeirdCatLady
Needs to get a proposal accepted first, he's made lots of applications but no deal so far. Subject is politics related, broadly

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toconclude · 14/06/2021 15:41

@osbertthesyrianhamster

As it happens, it IS tied up in investments. He knows how the stock exchange works thoughGrin
We had to clear and my sell mum's property, he couldn't really miss that. If he really wanted he could go online and find out how much it went for...

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dreamingbohemian · 14/06/2021 15:42

If he's made lots of applications already and not been accepted, that suggests this is all hypothetical. So why worry about it?

osbertthesyrianhamster · 14/06/2021 15:44

[quote toconclude]@osbertthesyrianhamster

As it happens, it IS tied up in investments. He knows how the stock exchange works thoughGrin
We had to clear and my sell mum's property, he couldn't really miss that. If he really wanted he could go online and find out how much it went for...[/quote]
Then you're going to have to grey rock him. Honestly, this would be throwing money down the drain. You may need that, all kinds of reasons, too and it was ultimately will to you and not him.

I get how frustrating it is. I often want to run away and honestly, I don't know how much longer I'll last when he's an adult.

Standrewsschool · 14/06/2021 15:44

And what happens after the phd? Will he expect more money for board and lodging? I was expecting you to say he was 21 or 22, not 30. He needs to stand on his own two feet at some point.

GCAcademic · 14/06/2021 15:44

I'm not sure I have anything to add to the advice already given but as an academic with a lot of experience of recruiting for and overseeing doctoral programmes, I would reiterate that there is little point in doing a PhD if you and your project are not good enough to secure funding. Even if you do, the odds of an academic job afterwards are vanishingly slim.

Failing that, there are loans for doctoral study: www.gov.uk/doctoral-loan

HollowTalk · 14/06/2021 15:46

I'd be furious if my child was weighing up what I had and thought he was entitled to it. That would make me determined not to give him anything.

It's not even as if he'd be grateful, is it? He sees it as his right.

For all those saying he should get a loan - how on earth would he repay that loan? That would be left for the OP to do.

I think all you can do, OP, is wait for him to focus on something different. If he's not going to be able to get work and can manage financially, could he look at producing a textbook on the topic he's interested in? It would probably get him nowhere but it would preoccupy him.

BarbarianMum · 14/06/2021 15:51

@HollowTalk if he can get someone to give him a loan (not sure who might and not saying he should, but still) then it will be between him and the lender. Nothing to do with the OP.

GCAcademic · 14/06/2021 15:55

For all those saying he should get a loan - how on earth would he repay that loan? That would be left for the OP to do.

Doctoral loans work in the same way as normal student loans. You start repaying it once your income is above a certain threshold.

WorriedNHSer · 14/06/2021 15:55

@HollowTalk the loans people are referring to are government student loans which have been extended and are now offered to postgraduate students as well as undergrads.

Blossomtoes · 14/06/2021 15:57

For all those saying he should get a loan - how on earth would he repay that loan? That would be left for the OP to do

It doesn’t work like that. It’s the same principle as student loans.

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